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Was out driving today, and noticed the #8 Fraser/Downtown is now using articulated trolleys.

Is there a plan to convert all the routes to articulated trolleys? Started with Victoria, then Main, now Fraser.

3, 20, and 8 will be for the foreseeable future.

I doubt 10 will, considering Granville corridor died down after the 98 shut down.

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So what you're telling me, is that the bank made an investment expecting a profit. That sounds logical to me. Why does it matter where the money came from as long as the investment is sound with an expectation of profit?

Or is it the fact that a Scottish bank is funding an Aussie company that's illogical to you? If that's what it is, you need to be exposed to the real world sometime. Nothing in that paragraph sounded illogical to me.

Did you miss the part where the bank was already losing money hand over fist because of the economic free fall that was created by unregulated banks?

So yes, asking for money from institutes that are just about to collapse is illogical.

As Ron says later in this thread, the BC Government is guilty of not understanding P3s and when it is best to use them. They use them as a tool of spite against the NDP and NOT because it is the right fiscal thing to do.

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Did you miss the part where the bank was already losing money hand over fist because of the economic free fall that was created by unregulated banks?

All the more reason for the bank to make better investment decisions.

So yes, asking for money from institutes that are just about to collapse is illogical.

Why is that? If the bank collapses, they don't have to pay the bank back. If the bank stays in business (which is the whole point of the bailout isn't it?), then the bank has made a sound business investment that will bring in cash for the foreseeable future. Again, no problems here.

As Ron says later in this thread, the BC Government is guilty of not understanding P3s and when it is best to use them. They use them as a tool of spite against the NDP and NOT because it is the right fiscal thing to do.

What does the aussie bridge have to do with BC government decisions?

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Did you miss the part where the bank was already losing money hand over fist because of the economic free fall that was created by unregulated banks?

So yes, asking for money from institutes that are just about to collapse is illogical.

As Ron says later in this thread, the BC Government is guilty of not understanding P3s and when it is best to use them. They use them as a tool of spite against the NDP and NOT because it is the right fiscal thing to do.

Yes, but the NDP doesn't understand them either, and uses them as a tool of spite against the libs. Isn't BC politics fun?

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Was out driving today, and noticed the #8 Fraser/Downtown is now using articulated trolleys.

Is there a plan to convert all the routes to articulated trolleys? Started with Victoria, then Main, now Fraser.

No way! Really? How does it make that right turn from Broadway onto Fraser now? It was pretty iffy before...

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Did you miss the part where the bank was already losing money hand over fist because of the economic free fall that was created by unregulated banks?

So yes, asking for money from institutes that are just about to collapse is illogical.

As Ron says later in this thread, the BC Government is guilty of not understanding P3s and when it is best to use them. They use them as a tool of spite against the NDP and NOT because it is the right fiscal thing to do.

The NDP will oppose the Liberals no matter what on any policy for the sake of being against the government party....and to be fair, yes unlike yourself, the Liberals did the same thing a decade ago when they were in opposition.

For instance: Remember the Millennium Line construction impact on businesses? Local businesses along the route called for subsidies/financial aid from the NDP government, but the NDP refused saying it would put future infrastructure projects at risk. And that certainly was the right call. But the Liberals went against the NDP and supported the businesses claims for compensation.

7 years later, Canada Line. NDP is in opposition calling for Cambie merchants compensation while the Liberals now the government party are saying the exact same thing: it would put future infrastructure projects at risk by setting a major precedent.

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that's not what it says in your own quoted article.

This is key: "the new technology will have the flexibility to allow for new fare options and a greater variety of price incentives to reward customer loyalty and attract new people to transit."

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This is key: "While the current transit fare structure will remain in place when the new fare collection system debuts in 2013, ..."

There is no indication of when they'll be switching to a new fare system.

I personally know people in Translink and have spoken to them previously about this. A distance-traveled fare system is in the works, they are still working out on the kinks and therefore it's not official. But when it is, there will be another announcement.

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The wonderful world of smart cards:

A CM on how it's used in stores:

When you're denied ( upon exit )

I like how this one shows the fare gates stay open ( making the system feel more open ) unless you're card is denied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOg_r8zaSTQ

Recharge station. Gives change in bills too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-vVawAiaug

At a vending machine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCEOVKgXG6I

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I honestly don't get the backlash against smart cards in Vancouver. Before my family left Hong Kong, my dad worked for the MTR (Hong Kong's subway system) and one of his assignments was the ticketing system and machines.

Even back then, Hong Kong had a system similar to smart cards (except it used magnetic cards) -- and my family came to Canada in 1992! So basically, Vancouver's playing catch-up to a system that was implemented in Hong Kong already 17 years ago.

That's kind of... sad.

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Nitro: That's the EXACT same type of system that's here in Seoul. (The only differences are the name and currency, obviously.)

Including the vending machines and convenience stores, and chips embedded in cell phones and such.

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lol japanese and their pink TVMs. Do we need yet another form of payment at the convenience store? We already have Visa PayWave, Mastercard PayPass... I think the transit card probably should stay just as a transit card.

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lol japanese and their pink TVMs. Do we need yet another form of payment at the convenience store? We already have Visa PayWave, Mastercard PayPass... I think the transit card probably should stay just as a transit card.

Ahh, but once more and more people start using the smart card, then chances are, for conveniences' sake, it'll be implemented at your local 7-11 or gas station.

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