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Who will fight for Tyrion? Jaime is highly likely, but he will be conflicted between both sides(Cersei and Tyrion). Bronn would be the obvious pick to fight for Tyrion, but I don't see it happening, he'll probably get paid a bunch to ditch Tyrion. My bet would be on Oberyn. He hates the Lannisters and seems to be the most unexpecting choice.

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Well be interesting to see who the combatants are for Tyrion's trial. It doesn't look good for him now, but he's gotten himself out of some pretty bad situations before so I wouldn't put it past him. I suspect Oberyn will play an important role; he must have gained a great deal of respect for Tyrion after his speech against his family.

Interesting that Jorah Mormont was a spy; I suspect that he'll be a part of whatever plan Varys has in mind. I'm wondering why he bothered to save Dany from the assassin who tried to poison her in season 1 though.

It's pretty simple actually. He fell in love with her.

Jorah's backstory is that he was exiled from Westeros by Ned Stark, for selling men into slavery. He's originally a northerner from Bear Island, the seat of House Mormont, who are Stark Bannermen. (His dad is Jeor, "The Old Bear" Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.)

Jorah agreed to spy on Dany originally because Varys hinted that his reward (in addition to money) might be a return to Westeros, something he desires more than anything. (THat is, until he grew to know Dany)

Now, as well as being in love with her, he sees her as way to return home.

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Thanks Rupert, that makes sense although I was wondering if there was more than met the eye. As for Jaime fighting on Tyrion's behalf, Tywin would go to great lengths to prevent that, especially given the discussion he had with Jaime regarding the inheritance. Jaime losing (likely given the loss of his hand) would result in both of Tywin's potential heirs being killed. I agree Oberyn is the most likely candidate after Bronn, but I think there's something to the lessons Jaime has been receiving. I think he'll end up fighting for one side or the other.

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mediocre first half, great second half

just give me more tywin, who cares about the imp

Yeah, I barely paid attention to the first half. Someone mentioned earlier that for the first few seasons, they were watching them back to back and found the show absolutely incredible, which is what I did. It wasn't until this year that the wife and I got HBO and are now waiting a week to watch each episode, finding it more difficult to get into it; either that or this season is actually not as good. It is moving a lot slower, but that is understandable due to the fact that they are catching up to the books and now need to slow things down considerably. And yes, the second half was fantastic.

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A bunch of whiners in this thread picking apart every little thing they don't like LOL

you and avelanche should go start a thread where you communicate simply by using grunts. a positive grunt will have a high pitch, curious sounding grunt if you like the thing. a negative grunt to suggest you didn't like the thing you are pawing at will have a deep, throaty grunt to suggest displeasure.

communicate using this, what i imagine to be your natural form of language, and everyone can be happy

leave this thread alone if you don't like people actually discussing things like, you know, their opinions

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you and avelanche should go start a thread where you communicate simply by using grunts. a positive grunt will have a high pitch, curious sounding grunt if you like the thing. a negative grunt to suggest you didn't like the thing you are pawing at will have a deep, throaty grunt to suggest displeasure.

communicate using this, what i imagine to be your natural form of language, and everyone can be happy

leave this thread alone if you don't like people actually discussing things like, you know, their opinions

Ahaha you never disappoint glassjaw

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Yeah, I barely paid attention to the first half. Someone mentioned earlier that for the first few seasons, they were watching them back to back and found the show absolutely incredible, which is what I did. It wasn't until this year that the wife and I got HBO and are now waiting a week to watch each episode, finding it more difficult to get into it; either that or this season is actually not as good. It is moving a lot slower, but that is understandable due to the fact that they are catching up to the books and now need to slow things down considerably. And yes, the second half was fantastic.

it's very weird to me how this season seems to be so polarizing. i've read so many people say they don't care as much, or they aren't enjoying it, while others seem to love it. me and my watching partner are super into it (minus the episode last week, which neither of us enjoyed much). but i dunno, like i said before, i think this may actually be my favourite season.

oddly, i really didn't like season 3 at all while i watched it. but i just re-watched 5 or 6 episodes from it and thought they were all perfectly enjoyable. minus, of course, all those terrible jon snow scenes. so, idk.

anyway, that whole trial thing reminded me of Chrono Trigger, for some reason.

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The best speculation I've heard about the trial by combat is that Cersei names The Mountain as her champion and Oberyn volunteers to fight for Tyrion to get revenge for his sister.

My guess is that someone will name Jaime Lannister as their champion - otherwise why the storyline about his training with Bronn?

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My guess is that someone will name Jaime Lannister as their champion - otherwise why the storyline about his training with Bronn?

Why would Jaime agree to that, though? He obviously doesn't want his brother to die. Also, I don't think Tywin would be okay with risking his heir in that fight, especially with Jaime missing a hand.

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My guess is that someone will name Jaime Lannister as their champion - otherwise why the storyline about his training with Bronn?

Jaime's training is in secret. I believe only Tyrion and Podrick knew about it. In addition Bronn was still kicking Jaime's ass last we saw. Bronn would likely be a better champion than Jamie at this point.

Oberyn has done nothing but have orgies and complain about his dead sister and the mountain is Tywin's go to warrior and a beast of a fighter. This is a show that loves to drop hints.

Jaime's training could just be a sympathy card for Tyrion. Jaime was depressed and Tyrion helped him out and rebuilding his life. Could be why he has been so avid about helping Tyrion and may play a bigger role in Jaime's future. But as of now I just don't see him being anywhere near the condition to stand a chance against an elite opponent like the mountain.

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Who will fight for Tyrion? Jaime is highly likely, but he will be conflicted between both sides(Cersei and Tyrion). Bronn would be the obvious pick to fight for Tyrion, but I don't see it happening, he'll probably get paid a bunch to ditch Tyrion. My bet would be on Oberyn. He hates the Lannisters and seems to be the most unexpecting choice.

My guess is that the Mountain will fight Oberyn who will volunteer after Bronn says no and Jaimie is not allowed to.

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Well be interesting to see who the combatants are for Tyrion's trial. It doesn't look good for him now, but he's gotten himself out of some pretty bad situations before so I wouldn't put it past him. I suspect Oberyn will play an important role; he must have gained a great deal of respect for Tyrion after his speech against his family.

Interesting that Jorah Mormont was a spy; I suspect that he'll be a part of whatever plan Varys has in mind. I'm wondering why he bothered to save Dany from the assassin who tried to poison her in season 1 though.

They revealed this in season 1, BTW.

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Another interesting suggestion I saw was that Cersei names Loras as her champion. He's got a reputation as a famed tournament fighter, and it's win-win for her. If Loras wins, she gets the satisfaction of Tyrion dying. If Tyrion's champion wins, Loras is dead and she doesn't have to marry him.

In that case though, I don't see who would fight for Tyrion. Bronn is a sellsword through and through, and there wouldn't be a big advantage in him siding with Tyrion at this point, and I'm not sure that one-handed Jaime would be up to the task, especially with the further wedge that would drive between him and sister and father.

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Another interesting suggestion I saw was that Cersei names Loras as her champion. He's got a reputation as a famed tournament fighter, and it's win-win for her. If Loras wins, she gets the satisfaction of Tyrion dying. If Tyrion's champion wins, Loras is dead and she doesn't have to marry him.

In that case though, I don't see who would fight for Tyrion. Bronn is a sellsword through and through, and there wouldn't be a big advantage in him siding with Tyrion at this point, and I'm not sure that one-handed Jaime would be up to the task, especially with the further wedge that would drive between him and sister and father.

Could see Jaime paying Bronn to do it but try to make sure that no one knows he's the one who hired him.

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So after my rewatch.

Shae throws Sansa under the bus with Tyrion. Why? She seemed like she genuinely cared about Sansa. Tywin said to bring her to him during Joffrey's wedding. Is Tywin brainwashing her? What is his gain? Maybe just exploiting Jaime's weakness for Tyrion to get him to continue the family? Tywin is more shallow than we expected?

Similar with Varys and Pycelle who all seem like they are on the same page as if someone spoke to them.

But still why does Shae cave and sellout Sansa when she was so eager to protect her early on?

Ramsay's face when Reek takes off his pants. :bigblush:

Really though the Yara storyline was crap.

Where is Reek going now? and why is it logical that he can act like Theon did? Unless this will fail for Ramsay and Reek ether botches it or starts to remember who he is. (If not might as well kill Reek as that whole experiment is turning into a mess.)

Varys looking at the throne with Oberyn?

"Lord Tyrell be a good man and fetch me my quill and paper."

God I hate Mace. Him and Pycelle in the same room. You can see why the Tyrell women wear the pants in that family.

Still don't think GRRM has the balls to kill Tyrion though.

Tyrion gave one of the best speeches in the show's run so far. That was epic.

And no, Dany's scene still sucked. Badly.

As far as big picture goes Dany is still the lousiest of the the storylines but she is moving forward now with something at least worth watching. This entire season was terrible with her as she was like Pinky and the Brain.

Jorah: Gee Dany what are we gonna do tonight?

Dany: Same thing we do every-night Jorah, liberate a slave city with no drama or conflict.

At least now Kings landing is taking an interest in her as she struggles to control her dragons and tries to correct the slave cities which are throwing her own justice back in her face. it is at least interesting.

To me, it looked like somebody who when writing season 3 had a great storyline for Yara changed their mind before season 4, and decided to just write something and put an end to that storyline.

Her montage speeches are what really threw me off. Episode music while she gives a motivational speech in the background followed by her sailing for months and over 5 episodes to get to a place and save her brother. All leading up to her being like, well eff that, I'm going home xD

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Good to see the ship righted again. I didn't think they'd screw up what are probably my favourite chapters in Storm of Swords, it was just as I imagined it. I was worried about Shae but she's usually the weakest actress in King's Landing so nothing new there.

RE: Jorah Mormont

There is a small set up shot to a Dany scene in season 1 that saw him sneaking away from her in Vaes Dothrak to check for letters from Westeros. That is how he knew the wine seller had poisoned wine as well.

Given that I usually agree with you and gbassi on things related to movies and shows, I am utterly confused with how in love with this season you are.

As far as how polarizing it's been, it's really not surprising at all. The book readers were content along with show watchers in season 1. From then on wards, little changes (some for the better, some for much much worse) added up until this season ended up with storylines far removed from the book while lacking purpose to those who know how it fits in the big picture. It's especially important given how little time individual characters have to establish certain plot developments.

The best scene this season is almost word for word from the book. Take that for what it's worth.

Edit: Just noticed how funny the term "watching partner " is

i think i am fortunate enough to have a watching partner (i know, i know) who i can discuss the show with each week we watch it, without her spoiling a single thing and also to explain things that i sometimes miss. everyone should have someone at their side to explain things, i say. the internet is not reliable for that. too many spoilers out there. PSA: everyone get a watching partner who has read the books.

anyway, you are among those who DO know the story, and i am not. so trust me when i say: if you sorta half-pay attention one week, the show totally stops making sense after a while. i slept on season three and now i am having to re-watch it to make sense of a few things. so while the changes to the book (for the sake of the tv show) may be annoying to some (my 'watching partner' usually explains the differences to me), for me i actually appreciate what i recognize to be added 'reminder' scenes. it's very easy to forget who is related to who and how or why it matters.

i dont really know why i like this season so much. maybe it is because it is less romance-related (like season 3), and more political-ish, like season 1? sort of? i like how so much of the tension in this season is related to the actual structure of the court (literally and figuratively), not as much related to personal relationships (less Shae, less Snow, less Ramsay-Theon). plus my favourite characters have really been able to assert themselves more, so i dunno.

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