The Situation Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 I wouldn't be opposed to chainging the laws. However, I have trouble seeing how you could be more lax on pimps and brothels without encouraging organized crime and human trafickers to step in. Maybe no pimps but licenses and STD testing instead? Maybe that protects the consumer more than the women though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Well if sex trade workers became just like any other workers, they could enter the country relatively easily on worker's visas. That would really hurt human traffickers. There are probably still traffickers trafficking in maids and other workers but since it is also legal, there isn't a whole lot of it compared to sex trade workers. It is still protecting people and that is what the government should care about. Lower STD rates would also benefit the healthcare system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Situation Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 I seriously doubt legalising it would lower STB rates. The risk of tranmission would be lower, but you would be upping the number of times the dice get thrown. It's not a surefire bet either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Well if sex trade workers became just like any other workers, they could enter the country relatively easily on worker's visas. That would really hurt human traffickers. There are probably still traffickers trafficking in maids and other workers but since it is also legal, there isn't a whole lot of it compared to sex trade workers. It is still protecting people and that is what the government should care about. Lower STD rates would also benefit the healthcare system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 I am going under the assumption that it would still be happening nearly as much but now with regulations. It is hard to say though how many more people would be seeing sex trade workers if it were legalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Situation Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Unfortunately that's not even close to the way the sex trade works. The majority of female sex trade workers are coerced into the sex trade by one means or another. Very few women choose to become prostitutes. The proportion who willingly choose to become prostitutes outside of North America is probably almost zero. The Visa system would not deal with the issue of organized crime trying to profit on the situation. Not to mention you can make a lot more money pimping out a sex worker than you can a maid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Can you show me some statistics? I am not saying you are wrong or anything but I haven't seen any solid statistics anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Can you show me some statistics? I am not saying you are wrong or anything but I haven't seen any solid statistics anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 The federal government is filing an appeal and is supported by the Liberal government of Ontario. This appeal is in keeping with the 1990 Supreme Court of Canada decision referenced above cited as Reference re ss. 193 & 195.1(1)(c ) of Criminal Code (Canada), (the Prostitution Reference), [1990] 1 S.C.R. 1123 is a leading decision of the Supreme Court of Canada on the right to freedom of expression under section 2( of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and on prostitution in Canada. The Court held that the criminal code provision that prohibited communication for the purpose of engaging in prostitution was in violation of the right to freedom of expression however it could be justified under section 1 of the Charter and so it was upheld. The majority found that the purpose of eliminating prostitution was a valid goal and that the provision was rationally connected and proportional to that goal. Accordingly, the provision was upheld. http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/1990/1990scr1-1123/1990scr1-1123.html The appeal would be in keeping with long-standing federal government policy - both Conservative and Liberal. Two years ago, Nicholson flatly rejected a majority recommendation from the House of Commons status of women committee that federal prostitution laws be amended to stop charging prostitutes and start prosecuting only those procuring sex, or exploiting prostitutes, such as pimps and bawdy house owners. "We have no intention of changing any of the laws relating to prostitution in this country," Nicholson told the committee during hearings. "We have laws with respect to street soliciting or soliciting in public places that criminalizes completely the activity — the individual that is trying to purchase that service and the individual that is offering it. And (those) will continue to be the laws of this country." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Situation Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Why on earth do you need statistics to show you that perhaps selling one's body isn't a career choice one picks on purpose?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Maybe some people don't have the same views on sex. Perhaps they enjoy the pleasure and don't consider it to be immoral what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Situation Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Ya, maybe a small minority in the industry. Don't kid yourself. Would you want to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 No but I have found that are a large range of views on everything including sex. To some people, it is probably no different than selling your body with a backbreaking job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Ya, maybe a small minority in the industry. Don't kid yourself. Would you want to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 The federal government is filing an appeal and is supported by the Liberal government of Ontario. This appeal is in keeping with the 1990 Supreme Court of Canada decision referenced above cited as Reference re ss. 193 & 195.1(1)(c ) of Criminal Code (Canada), (the Prostitution Reference), [1990] 1 S.C.R. 1123 is a leading decision of the Supreme Court of Canada on the right to freedom of expression under section 2( of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and on prostitution in Canada. The Court held that the criminal code provision that prohibited communication for the purpose of engaging in prostitution was in violation of the right to freedom of expression however it could be justified under section 1 of the Charter and so it was upheld. The majority found that the purpose of eliminating prostitution was a valid goal and that the provision was rationally connected and proportional to that goal. Accordingly, the provision was upheld. http://scc.lexum.umo...0scr1-1123.html The appeal would be in keeping with long-standing federal government policy - both Conservative and Liberal. http://www.vancouver...l#ixzz10xyxsLUf As CBC reports: http://www.cbc.ca/ca...l#ixzz10xvlAyZ8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Why do women have to be protected from themselves and their own decisions anyways? We're perfectly content to let men live with the consequences of their own actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Would you want to scrub toilets or take out everybody's garbage either? May they be left to weigh the pros against the cons of their profession, like any other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Um, I don't know about you, but I would rather scub toilets and handle the trash then take it up the you know what...... Weigh the pros and cons? Con: Taking it up the you know what. Freezing on a street corner. Risk of violence and disease. Personal space reduced to zero. Being reduced to a commodity. Pro: Some extra cash to get high on. I sincerely doubt that more than a handfull decide rationally to get into it. More often than not it will be a case of being forced into it through some sort of desperation/addiction/explotation. Don't kid yourself, it's not pretty women, it's turning people into a disposable commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Why do women have to be protected from themselves and their own decisions anyways? We're perfectly content to let men live with the consequences of their own actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Situation Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Um, I don't know about you, but I would rather scub toilets and handle the trash then take it up the you know what...... Weigh the pros and cons? Con: Taking it up the you know what. Freezing on a street corner. Risk of violence and disease. Personal space reduced to zero. Being reduced to a commodity. Pro: Some extra cash to get high on. I sincerely doubt that more than a handfull decide rationally to get into it. More often than not it will be a case of being forced into it through some sort of desperation/addiction/explotation. Don't kid yourself, it's not pretty women, it's turning people into a disposable commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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