Sharpshooter Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Nice one! Hope you are wrong for the Canucks sake. Honestly though, knowing him, he'd probably root for the Canucks demise as long as it took Bieksa down, as well. I honestly think his hatred for Bieksa is more than his love for the team. I don't think he was hugged enough early on....but that's not been proven and is just a working hypothesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 To the Bieksa lovers: If Bieksa re-sings with ANY team next year, what do you believe he will sign for? I don't consider myself a Bieksa lover. But it seems the mentality here is if you don't mindlessly bash the current whipping boy you must be a >insert name< lover. To answer your question it really rather depends on what he does this season. If he stays relatively healthy and has a 40+ point he'll get $4m+ on the open market. A 20-ish point season and likely in the 2-3m range. I'll say it again, we're only 9 games in. Which to say it's far too early to write his season off or speculate on what his value on the open market will be next July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I don't consider myself a Bieksa lover. But it seems the mentality here is if you don't mindlessly bash the current whipping boy you must be a >insert name< lover. To answer your question it really rather depends on what he does this season. If he stays relatively healthy and has a 40+ point he'll get $4m+ on the open market. A 20-ish point season and likely in the 2-3m range. I'll say it again, we're only 9 games in. Which to say it's far too early to write his season off or speculate on what his value on the open market will be next July. Agreed with the bolded. Although on the flip side, the opposite mentality aslso seems to be that if you criticize Bieksa or his play at all, you must be a hater. If he has a good season, he will get a big contract somewhere, probably Toronto, who loves to overpay guys like him. If he has a poor season, he will probably still get a ridiculous offer as a free agent. There are a lot of idiot GMs out there. If the Canucks sign him for anything close to that, it will be a sad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck1 Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Intelligent stupidity. Far too many incorrect assumptions here that quite frankly are the pillars of your argument. On top of that there's way more than 2. I know it's hard to believe that people who want to just trash him will actually have to back it up. Go over to the who are you most disapointed in, goes a long way to show how folks like you and canucktyuktuk are desperate in trying to discredit how many people use their heads and and come to their own conclusions. You sir are a little to sensitive maybe get your mom to make you a cup of coco! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I don't understand the guys who feel the need to respond to every post in this thread. It's a thread about Juice, state your point of view and let other people state theirs. You have no deeper insight than anyone else. Why the self importance? It's called discussion not self importance. This is a discussion board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Actually now that I've started lets compare 2006-2007 to 2009-2010 a year we can all agree was terrible for Bieksa. So in reality Bieksa's personal PPP production and the teams ability to kill penalties while Bieksa were the 2 categories that Bieksa has shown a large drop in play. The teams ES production and defensive number dropped slightly as did the teams PP production and Bieksa's personal ES production. However, Bieksa did show improvement in his physical play, discipline, shot blocking and take away ability. Bieksa's GA rate did not change much. I give the reasons for these changes to the readers to figure out. Do you think it's possible that losing his longtime defensive partner (some defensive minded guy, Mitchell or something) for almost half the season could be considered an extenuating circumstance? Nah, lets ignore anything and everything (particularly numbers and injuries) and just mindlessly hit Bieksa with sticks and pelt him with pucks. It's all the rage now you know. (Kudos for doing all that work) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Do you think it's possible that losing his longtime defensive partner (some defensive minded guy, Mitchell or something) for almost half the season could be considered an extenuating circumstance? Nah, lets ignore anything and everything (particularly numbers and injuries) and just mindlessly hit Bieksa with sticks and pelt him with pucks. It's all the rage now you know. (Kudos for doing all that work) Losing his defensive partner could certainly have had an impact. Having said that, sooner or later the responsibility to improve and find his way through all of these extenuating circumstances comes down to one person.....Bieksa himself. Making excuses about how other players or injuries are responsible for all of his problems is the main reason people are sick of him. It is ALWAYS someone elses fault with Bieksa. In reality, those are just excuses that countless other players manage to deal with all the time. If he cant rise above those things, it is his own fault, no on elses. And it is no different for any other player in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Agreed with the bolded. Although on the flip side, the opposite mentality aslso seems to be that if you criticize Bieksa or his play at all, you must be a hater. Well there is a two way street of stupidity here. Although the mindless bashing side of the street tends to be multiple lanes and bumper to bumper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I don't consider myself a Bieksa lover. But it seems the mentality here is if you don't mindlessly bash the current whipping boy you must be a >insert name< lover. To answer your question it really rather depends on what he does this season. If he stays relatively healthy and has a 40+ point he'll get $4m+ on the open market. A 20-ish point season and likely in the 2-3m range. I'll say it again, we're only 9 games in. Which to say it's far too early to write his season off or speculate on what his value on the open market will be next July. I don't consider myself a Bieksa lover either.lol. Right now Bieksa is on pace for 0 pts. The guy is a joke. SOB at 1.6 -1.8 is a good indicator of KB's value. At a mil/yr he would be a hot property. The cap won't keep growing in leaps and bounds, there are too many teams losing money and a lot of teams like the Nuck's are expecting their D prospects to start stepping up with their entry level contracts. How many teams would the waived Souray, Redden and Finger help? No NHL team is willing to find out. If BXa doesn't have a carer year this year and it's not looking like he will, he will be lucky to attract as much or more than say SOB/Alberts will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Capitan Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I don't consider myself a Bieksa lover either.lol. Right now Bieksa is on pace for 0 pts. The guy is a joke. SOB at 1.6 -1.8 is a good indicator of KB's value. At a mil/yr he would be a hot property. The cap won't keep growing in leaps and bounds, there are too many teams losing money and a lot of teams like the Nuck's are expecting their D prospects to start stepping up with their entry level contracts. How many teams would the waived Souray, Redden and Finger help? No NHL team is willing to find out. If BXa doesn't have a carer year this year and it's not looking like he will, he will be lucky to attract as much or more than say SOB/Alberts will. Wow more hearsay from the smartest man alive! Please us! Write a novel on your predictions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I don't consider myself a Bieksa lover either.lol. Right now Bieksa is on pace for 0 pts. The guy is a joke. SOB at 1.6 -1.8 is a good indicator of KB's value. At a mil/yr he would be a hot property. The cap won't keep growing in leaps and bounds, there are too many teams losing money and a lot of teams like the Nuck's are expecting their D prospects to start stepping up with their entry level contracts. How many teams would the waived Souray, Redden and Finger help? No NHL team is willing to find out. If BXa doesn't have a carer year this year and it's not looking like he will, he will be lucky to attract as much or more than say SOB/Alberts will. souray on recall would be attractive he and bieksa are quite similar except he got one heck of a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Losing his defensive partner could certainly have had an impact. Having said that, sooner or later the responsibility to improve and find his way through all of these extenuating circumstances comes down to one person.....Bieksa himself. Making excuses about how other players or injuries are responsible for all of his problems is the main reason people are sick of him. It is ALWAYS someone elses fault with Bieksa. In reality, those are just excuses that countless other players manage to deal with all the time. If he cant rise above those things, it is his own fault, no on elses. And it is no different for any other player in the league. So what you're saying is losing a top four D partner and playing with a fringe player or call-up should have no noticeable effect? You actually believe that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I don't consider myself a Bieksa lover either.lol. Right now Bieksa is on pace for 0 pts. The guy is a joke. SOB at 1.6 -1.8 is a good indicator of KB's value. At a mil/yr he would be a hot property. The cap won't keep growing in leaps and bounds, there are too many teams losing money and a lot of teams like the Nuck's are expecting their D prospects to start stepping up with their entry level contracts. How many teams would the waived Souray, Redden and Finger help? No NHL team is willing to find out. If BXa doesn't have a carer year this year and it's not looking like he will, he will be lucky to attract as much or more than say SOB/Alberts will. You wouldn't happen to be an unemployed web designer would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbllpp Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Do you think it's possible that losing his longtime defensive partner (some defensive minded guy, Mitchell or something) for almost half the season could be considered an extenuating circumstance? Nah, lets ignore anything and everything (particularly numbers and injuries) and just mindlessly hit Bieksa with sticks and pelt him with pucks. It's all the rage now you know. I've learned that I'll get bashed if I try and make "excuses" so I don't bother anymore. I was responding to a post that said he has not improved on anything since his break out year. I showed that beyond a doubt that he has improved in certain areas without making excuses for him and used last year where it is hard argue that he that he did not struggle at times. If you look at my posts I am putting up counter arguments with stats to back it defending Bieksa. However, I do my best to not deny the other side of the argument when I see it is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Meh. I could say the exact same about yourself. You could care less if the Canucks win, everyone can play like sh*t. You just want a good game from Bieksa so that you can come here and toot his horn. Theres a rumor going around that that sharpshooters nose is missing. Vegas odds say its likely up Bieksas a$$ hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I don't consider myself a Bieksa lover either.lol. Right now Bieksa is on pace for 0 pts. The guy is a joke. SOB at 1.6 -1.8 is a good indicator of KB's value. At a mil/yr he would be a hot property. The cap won't keep growing in leaps and bounds, there are too many teams losing money and a lot of teams like the Nuck's are expecting their D prospects to start stepping up with their entry level contracts. How many teams would the waived Souray, Redden and Finger help? No NHL team is willing to find out. If BXa doesn't have a carer year this year and it's not looking like he will, he will be lucky to attract as much or more than say SOB/Alberts will. Dear Mike Gillis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 You wouldn't happen to be an unemployed web designer would you? Naw, I'm not that smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 If Bieksa re-sings with ANY team next year, what do you believe he will sign for? $2.75M uncertain about term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SN- Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Cut the personal attacks people. If you can't have a civil discussion I'll just ban all of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 You sir are a little to sensitive maybe get your mom to make you a cup of coco! No really, everything you said was based on assumptions that generally don't ring true. I could certainly go for some coco but none of this has anything to do with being too sensitive. More assumptions I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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