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<br />Credit to bbllpp<br /><br />Just thought i'd post it for him, forthose too lazy to click on the link provided by him. Another good find btw.<br /><br />
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I find that hockeyfights.com has longer clips and doesn't clip the start as much as youtube

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haha Bieska came in with a full head of steam and got put right on his a$.

I don't have a clue where some of you people get off saying Bieksa throws big hits. Please someone show me one. I'm not kidding.

Edit: ANY big hit from his entire career.

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So, are you agreeing with the opinion that Bieksa is a physically punishing hitter consistently? That was the original argument that is being refuted here.

Everyone throws a big hit now and then, but game in and game out would you call him a punishing hitter?

I think he's an aggressive hitter...sometimes too aggressive at his own blueline, for my liking, at times...but I'd rather he be too aggressive than not at all.

I think he can dole out punishing hits. I don't think every hit of his is a punishing one. And the original loud mouth comment I saw was an idiotic challenge that has been more than met. It's been "punishingly" answered.

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<br />So, are you agreeing with the opinion that Bieksa is a physically punishing hitter consistently? That was the original argument that is being refuted here.<br /><br />Everyone throws a big hit now and then, but game in and game out would you call him a punishing hitter?<br />

from the number of fights I've shown that have resulted from Bieksa hits and I've only shown fights so far from 2008-2009 and 2009-2010. For each of these I would assume that there are others that didn't result in a fight.

If you say that Bieksa hasn't really been a punishing hitter so far this year I would say OK maybe you are right but to say Bieksa through his career has not been punishing I would have to disagree with you.

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<br />Fair enough...it's your choice. I just wanted to bring the video out in the open.<br />

Sorry didn't mean to come off bad. Just wanted to let you know that for your own personal enjoyment that the clips are better on hockyfights.com. Thanks for posting the video because I doubt the haters will even bother looking.

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I think he's an aggressive hitter...sometimes too aggressive at his own blueline, for my liking, at times...but I'd rather he be too aggressive than not at all.

I think he can dole out punishing hits. I don't think every hit of his is a punishing one. And the original loud mouth comment I saw was an idiotic challenge that has been more than met. It's been "punishingly" answered.

I think he is an aggressive hitter too. I just dont think that aggression translates directly into being consistently physically punishing. The beginning of this argument started with sampy suggesting that Bieksa is the most physically punishing hitter on the team or some such nonsense. Ballard, Hamhuis, Alberts, and Edler could all be seen as more physically punishing when they hit. Consistency-wise, the first 3 are way ahead and Edler is similar to Bieksa.

from the number of fights I've shown that have resulted from Bieksa hits and I've only shown fights so far from 2008-2009 and 2009-2010. For each of these I would assume that there are others that didn't result in a fight.

If you say that Bieksa hasn't really been a punishing hitter so far this year I would say OK maybe you are right but to say Bieksa through his career has not been punishing I would have to disagree with you.

I would say he hasnt been a consistent punishing hitter throughout his career. He uncorks the odd one, but he is not the most effective punishing hitter around, thats for sure.

I didnt watch the videos (laggy computer with videos) but every one of his fights resulted from a monster hit?

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Doesn't size play a role there?

Of course it does to a certain extent.

Does that change the fact that Bieksa cannot reasonably be seen as a consistently punishing hitter? My point is that saying Bieksa is physically all that punishing on a consistent basis is overrating his hitting ability a lot. He is a good hitter, but not a punishing one like the bigger guys are.

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Of course it does to a certain extent.

Does that change the fact that Bieksa cannot reasonably be seen as a consistently punishing hitter? My point is that saying Bieksa is physically all that punishing on a consistent basis is overrating his hitting ability a lot. He is a good hitter, but not a punishing one like the bigger guys are.

I'm not arguing with your point about Bieksa. I'm just saying that is a bad comparison.

Now if you compared him to Mike Richards or Michael Peca...

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<br />I think he is an aggressive hitter too. I just dont think that aggression translates  directly into being consistently physically punishing. The beginning of this argument started with sampy suggesting that Bieksa is the most physically punishing hitter on the team or some such nonsense. Ballard, Hamhuis, Alberts, and Edler could all be seen as more physically punishing when they hit. Consistency-wise, the first 3 are way ahead and Edler is similar to Bieksa.<br /><br /><br /><br />I would say he hasnt been a consistent punishing hitter throughout his career. He uncorks the odd one, but he is not the most effective punishing hitter around, thats for sure.<br /><br />I didnt watch the videos (laggy computer with videos) but every one of his fights resulted from a monster hit?<br />

I've only reviewed 12 out of 25 fights and 5 fights resulted from hits by Bieksa. My internet is slow so I am not sure if I'll look at more but 5 out of 12 so far says a lot.

Of the other

3 started because Bieksa was sticking up for a team-mate

2 cause guys took shots at Bieksa

2 were rematches from guys Bieksa embarrassed

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I think he is an aggressive hitter too. I just dont think that aggression translates directly into being consistently physically punishing. The beginning of this argument started with sampy suggesting that Bieksa is the most physically punishing hitter on the team or some such nonsense. Ballard, Hamhuis, Alberts, and Edler could all be seen as more physically punishing when they hit. Consistency-wise, the first 3 are way ahead and Edler is similar to Bieksa.

I would say he hasnt been a consistent punishing hitter throughout his career. He uncorks the odd one, but he is not the most effective punishing hitter around, thats for sure.

I didnt watch the videos (laggy computer with videos) but every one of his fights resulted from a monster hit?

I think that some of his aggression can and has directly translated into being physically punishing. Now as for consistently, that a subjective term. I could say that if one doesn't throw a a physically punishing hit, every shift, they aren't being consistent, or every period, or every game....see the slippery slope of subjectivity?

I think Bieksa is a more aggressive hitter than any of his d-mates, in the past, as a Canuck. That doesn't mean much, as most haven't been here as long as he has. So, that's not really a great point to begin with. Conversely, neither is stating that others, including the new guys are more consistent hitters as Canucks....because 2 have played literally one handful of games this season, Alberts takes half as many penalties from his hits as he makes and hasn't been with us for more than 40 games in his entire tenure with us, and Edler, has only just discovered his consistent hitting prowess, at the incessant urging of coaching staff, near the end of last season and the playoffs. So yeah, in my opinion, Bieksa is still our best hitter as a Canuck.

And comparing alberts to Bieksa in the hitting department is a mismatch...as are their sizes and weight class. Alberts should be consistently doling out more punishing hits than Bieksa, look at the size of the bugger. Pound for pound...I think Bieksa has a case for being the subjectively defined "best" hitter.

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Bieksa seems to be getting worse as the season goes along. Can't wait until Sami Salo and Dan Hamhuis come back. Then we don't have a weak spot on te backend, plus alot of depth guys that could be playing at the NHL level else where.

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Lord and Baby Jesus, help me. Save me from those that snuck through your creation reject filter and ended up in this thread.

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<br />I think that some of his aggression can and has directly translated into being physically punishing. Now as for consistently, that a subjective term. I could say that if one doesn't throw a a physically punishing hit, every shift, they aren't being consistent, or every period, or every game....see the slippery slope of subjectivity?<br /><br />I think Bieksa is a more aggressive hitter than any of his d-mates, in the past, as a Canuck. That doesn't mean much, as most haven't been here as long as he has. So, that's not really a great point to begin with. Conversely, neither is stating that others, including the new guys are more consistent hitters as Canucks....because 2 have played literally one handful of games this season, Alberts takes half as many penalties from his hits as he makes and hasn't been with us for more than 40 games in his entire tenure with us, and Edler, has only just discovered his consistent hitting prowess, at the incessant urging of coaching staff, near the end of last season and the playoffs. So yeah, in my opinion, Bieksa is still our best hitter as a Canuck.<br /><br />And comparing alberts to Bieksa in the hitting department is a mismatch...as are their sizes and weight class. Alberts should be consistently doling out more punishing hits than Bieksa, look at the size of the bugger. Pound for pound...I think Bieksa has a case for being the subjectively defined &quot;best&quot; hitter.<br />

Sorry I have to say you've gone a bit far here

Ohlund is a far more punishing hitter on average than Bieksa

and saying Bieksa is more punishing than Alberts is a bit weak

However, doesn't mean Bieksa is not punishing in his own right

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Lord and Baby Jesus, help me. Save me from those that snuck through your creation reject filter and ended up in this thread.

Prove otherwise. He had 3 assists last game. The only game he's been on the stat sheet positively. Also, the only game he didn't register a single hit. 1 decent game hasn't righted the ship. Against a mediocre team at that.

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Sorry I have to say you've gone a bit far here

Ohlund is a far more punishing hitter on average than Bieksa

and saying Bieksa is more punishing than Alberts is a bit weak

However, doesn't mean Bieksa is not punishing in his own right

Ohlund isn't on the team currently, so that point is moot.

And I didn't say Beiksa was more punishing than Alberts. I said, in my opinion, I think he is currently our "best"(define that however you like, as I have) hitter, and has been so consistently for a longer period of time than Alberts, considering Alberts has played only 35 ish regular season games for us. And, I also said I expect alberts to be a more punishing hitter than Bieksa, as his size and weight warrants such a distinction.

If I said Bieksa was more punishing than Alberts, please quote it for me in your next response.

I hope this clears up any misunderstanding or misperception for you.

Edit - I may have not have clearly indicated that I meant Bieksa is the most aggressive hitter than any of his <current> d-mates, in the past as a Canuck.

Still I said, consistently aggressive and not more punishing..again, partail blames lies in my omittance.

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Prove otherwise. He had 3 assists last game. The only game he's been on the stat sheet positively. Also, the only game he didn't register a single hit. 1 decent game hasn't righted the ship. Against a mediocre team at that.

Lol...you really are a masochist, aren't you?

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Ohlund isn't on the team currently, so that point is moot.

And I didn't say Beiksa was more punishing than Alberts. I said, in my opinion, I think he is currently our "best"(define that however you like, as I have) hitter, and has been so consistently for a longer period of time than Alberts, considering Alberts has played only 35 ish regular season games for us. And, I also said I expect alberts to be a more punishing hitter than Bieksa, as his size and weight warrants such a distinction.

If I said Bieksa was more punishing than Alberts, please quote it for me in your next response.

I hope this clears up any misunderstanding or misperception for you.

I'm pretty sure he's replying to "I think Bieksa is a more aggressive hitter than any of his d-mates, in the past, as a Canuck."

Best hitter must go hand in hand with someone who has good timing. Bieksa has notoriously poor timing.

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