BedBeats™2.0 Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Well..i did ridiculously rant "loudly" a few pages back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Wishful thinking, maybe, but then isn't wishing or hoping or expecting Bieksa to perform at some respectable level that warrants a3.75 mil cap hit is wishful thinking as well? As far as I can see, your fixated on the Cap number because you really have nothing of substance to criticize Bieksa for. All of a sudden you claims that he's "career AHLer" and "Will be playing in Europe next season" have turned into "he's not worth the money". However, he is playing on the shutdown unit and the first PK unit and is doing well at both. Looking at what other defensemen around the league are making in that role doesn't make me regret KB's salary at all, especially considering the fact that I'm happy with Hammer's and Ballard's numbers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Those people, far more than anything you have said, piss me off. Same thing with bashing any player, only to come around and be a supporter when they pull through the adversity. At least you are consistent, even if many of your arguments lack a little in context. I. for one, have not "come around" to be a Bieksa supporter. One game, one week, one quarter of a season, means very little. It's how he plays in a year and in his career that matters, because having an extensive past performance base to judge from is far more important than having multiple orgasms when he gets third star in game 29 of the season, or because he strings together 5 or 6 decent, though lesser, games. I hope he proves me wrong going forward in helping the Canucks, but I also hope he plays awesome to boost his trade value. We're under the gun soon if Glen Healy's report about Salo being ready the first half of January is correct (one or two weeks to make a trade after the Xmas trade freeze), but there'll also be more GMs on bubble teams who should be getting antsy about making the playoffs. Hopefully other GMs have a tenth of the love for Bieksa that is displayed in some of these comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Some of us have been here fighting the good fight all along. Me, Sharpie, BedBeats, Lonny, marinated.pea, cOmedyClub, lof, Smithers Joe, malHOEtra, Highway to Hell, the Cammer, apollo, sampy, The Big Luongo, suolucidir, El_Capitan, EOTM, sQuish, Peevish, bblipp, Hammer79..... there's actually a lot of us. We just don't shout as loud as the haters. Meanwhile, haters like Dirty Al, lil' Fra, Kes101, buttock, Bertuzzipunch, RU SERIOUS, Canuckaholism, Ballard_4, pinecone, rising_ego, Tomn8r, Raging Cookies, Rogue Nuck, et al, have disappeared.... EOTM misses Lil Fra and BertuzziPunch. Those two are always good for a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 EOTM misses Lil Fra and BertuzziPunch. Those two are always good for a laugh. Kes101 is the one I miss. His Lil' Wayne sig automatically makes his posts sound twice as stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 its good he is playing well, up his trade value. I see this... Nice clip, lol Either Bieksa wants to be a two sport athlete asnd was working on his diving routine , or he kept tripping over the circle. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0medyClub Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 I think I'm going to get Canuckelion a Bieksa jersey for Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Well..i did ridiculously rant "loudly" a few pages back. lol Yeah that was pretty ridiculous. I just assume it was after a night on the lash. Must have been cathartic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanford Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Contract year has gotten Bieksa skating. We give him a long term contract... the guy is not going to even move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAILED-BY-THE-HAMMER Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 bieksa is a big reason our pk is much better this year he,s second in minutes played while short handed behind only the face-off machine known as malhotra but hamhuis averages 3minutes a game bieksa is very valuable to this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedBeats™2.0 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 lol Yeah that was pretty ridiculous. I just assume it was after a night on the lash. Must have been cathartic. You assumed correctly! Woke up the next day going, "you fricking moron" hahahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 You assumed correctly! Woke up the next day going, "you fricking moron" hahahaha! To be fair I was impressed with your one eyed hunt and peck technique. Not many if any spelling techniques! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Contract year has gotten Bieksa skating. We give him a long term contract... the guy is not going to even move. I must say that if history repeats itself, which it usually does, Bieksa will not prove to be value for a new contract just as he has not been decent value for his current contract. It is time to cut him loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 I must say that if history repeats itself, which it usually does, Bieksa will not prove to be value for a new contract just as he has not been decent value for his current contract. It is time to cut him loose. I suppose two freak injuries that hampered his development couldn't possibly have anything to do with his last couple of years? Notice how when he isn't coming off a big injury his play/performance is quite good and valuable to the team? He certainly as not been a $3.5 million player the last couple of years....but I wonder if there is a corellary reason?? He will be resigned here, but probably not at $3.5 million....it'll be less, i'm sure. Either way, since there isn't much you can say of his play as of late, you can fall back to the default setting of complaining about his injury riddled seasons and how he's overpaid. But really, since it's been said a hundred times in this thread already by you and the other smurfs, do the rest of us and your remaining sub-atomic particle sized credibility that's left...and just give it a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 I suppose two freak injuries that hampered his development couldn't possibly have anything to do with his last couple of years? Notice how when he isn't coming off a big injury his play/performance is quite good and valuable to the team? He certainly as not been a $3.5 million player the last couple of years....but I wonder if there is a corellary reason?? He will be resigned here, but probably not at $3.5 million....it'll be less, i'm sure. Either way, since there isn't much you can say of his play as of late, you can fall back to the default setting of complaining about his injury riddled seasons and how he's overpaid. But really, since it's been said a hundred times in this thread already by you and the other smurfs, do the rest of us and your remaining sub-atomic particle sized credibility that's left...and just give it a rest. His current 4 year contract is for 3.75, not 3.5, accounting for a million dollars diff over the term of the contract, that is a sizeable difference. Non the less you feel he will be renewed or re signed, Tony Gallagher, during a TV interview at I think the Edm. game brought up the same subject. Like yourself, he stated that if Bieksa were to be re signed he would have to take a symbolic pay 'haircut', unlike you two I would suggest Bieksa wouldn't have to take a haircut to get renewed, he would have to proverbially shave his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenDrinkin Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Bieksa really only has one flaw, which is when he plays too nonchalant. All his mistakes stem from that, from what I've noticed. Reduced minutes sure have made him less noticeable (which is good) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themcdeal Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 I suppose two freak injuries that hampered his development couldn't possibly have anything to do with his last couple of years? Notice how when he isn't coming off a big injury his play/performance is quite good and valuable to the team? He certainly as not been a $3.5 million player the last couple of years....but I wonder if there is a corellary reason?? He will be resigned here, but probably not at $3.5 million....it'll be less, i'm sure. Either way, since there isn't much you can say of his play as of late, you can fall back to the default setting of complaining about his injury riddled seasons and how he's overpaid. But really, since it's been said a hundred times in this thread already by you and the other smurfs, do the rest of us and your remaining sub-atomic particle sized credibility that's left...and just give it a rest. It'll be interesting to say the least to see what happens in the off season. Erhoff is looking for a big raise Salo may or may nor retire. Do we keep him if he doesn't? If salo leaves we have no dman with a right handed shot. Bieksa would be the only guy left Are players like Sauve and Connauton ready to make the jump to the nhl level? Will Parent be playing full time in the NHL next year? It's still early in the season, but Bieksa has played very well lately. He's only really worth keeping for around 3 million at this point. We can't afford to have Ballard, Hamhuis and Erhoff all making over 4 million and then Bieksa staying at 3.75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 His current 4 year contract is for 3.75, not 3.5, accounting for a million dollars diff over the term of the contract, that is a sizeable difference. Non the less you feel he will be renewed or re signed, Tony Gallagher, during a TV interview at I think the Edm. game brought up the same subject. Like yourself, he stated that if Bieksa were to be re signed he would have to take a symbolic pay 'haircut', unlike you two I would suggest Bieksa wouldn't have to take a haircut to get renewed, he would have to proverbially shave his head. Right, $3.75....i had Salo's contract mistakenly in mind....a contract that I don't believe will be on our books next season. I have no doubt that Bieksa will take about a $1 mill pay cut. $3.5 is too rich for us considering what we have already invested in the blue line. If he doesn't accept it, then he doesn't stay. It's pretty simple. I think he'll sign long term (4 years at around $2.75, give or take $250k per) It depends on his play this year. If he can sow the seeds to be a defensive reliability in all areas, PK and 5 on 5 with an offensive touch 5 on 5 and on the PP, i think he'll have earned the extension that I proposed, if he agrees to it. The only thing that needs trimming, however, are your ghastly comedic flourishes. It's like the guy who doesn't understand that mullets have gone out of style. 'Cut' that s#*^ out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 It'll be interesting to say the least to see what happens in the off season. Erhoff is looking for a big raise Salo may or may nor retire. Do we keep him if he doesn't? If salo leaves we have no dman with a right handed shot. Bieksa would be the only guy left Are players like Sauve and Connauton ready to make the jump to the nhl level? Will Parent be playing full time in the NHL next year? It's still early in the season, but Bieksa has played very well lately. He's only really worth keeping for around 3 million at this point. We can't afford to have Ballard, Hamhuis and Erhoff all making over 4 million and then Bieksa staying at 3.75. I'm sure some of your questions are rhetorical in nature...but i'll comment on them anyways....because they raise interesting discussion points. Ehrhoff, you're right, is looking for a raise....i think in the $5 million range. That means Bieksa HAS to take a cut. I think he'll have to come in around $2.75 to $3.0 million per season. If Bieksa agrees to a loonger term deal, then perhaps he'll agree to a lower salary as well....say $2.5 or $2.75 for fours years? or something like that, in my humble opinion. Salo, is done....whether it be because of age, salary or being injury prone. This will most likely be his last season with us. Tha being said, we may keep him if Bieksa doesn't resign, or we don't choose to resign him first, and Ehrhoff takes a better monetary deal somewhere else with a cup contending team like PIT, PHI, WAS, BOS, MTL, LA, SJ. All those teams would certainly make room for him. And he hasn't played here long enough to really be considered uber loyal to VAN. So, I think those two contingencies could weigh heavily on Salo coming back. I still don't see it happening, right handedness, taken into consideration of course but not being of dire importance. He'll retire or we won't sign him. If he doesn't retire, I think he'll sign one year with a cup contending team.....and then get injured there. Sauve and Connauton are nowhere near ready, even next year. Full Stop. Let's not even go there, until a couple years from now. Dmen require more time to round into form. These two fit that theory, most defintiely. If Parent gets the time he sorely needs in the AHL, then yeah...i can certainly see him on the team and playing 3rd pairing NHL minutes for us next year. He just isn't getting that time he needs though while sitting out, in the press box. It's stupid and counterproductive for his development and confidence. I'm not too impressed with him nor his development so far. Poor kid....he could be something, if he was developed properly. And lastly, you're right, we can't keep Bieksa at $3.75. So decisions will need to be made post haste by him, his family and by MG and AV. If he keeps imporving and plays solidly as he has for the most part this season, though, i'm confident MG will give him a fair offer. How fair it is and how fair Juice finds it, remains to be seen. As a fan if his, I can only cross my fingers and hope that it works out and he remains a Canuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Non the less you feel he will be renewed or re signed, Tony Gallagher, during a TV interview at I think the Edm. game brought up the same subject. Like yourself, he stated that if Bieksa were to be re signed he would have to take a symbolic pay 'haircut', unlike you two I would suggest Bieksa wouldn't have to take a haircut to get renewed, he would have to proverbially shave his head. The only people with a sense of humour on this thread are the anti-Bieksonians. It's also funny that Bieksa's biggest supporter, sharpshooter, thinks that Bieksa would take a pay cut from 3.75 per to stay with the Canucks (as if they'll want to re-sign him anyway). As much as I dislike #3's play, I guarantee that he'll easily receive (perhaps from more than one team) over $4 million a year. It's all wishful thinking. Bieksa is gliding into his Canucks swan song. Inevitable that a few loveydoves get ruffled feathers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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