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It's time we start looking at trading one of Raymond/Samuelsson instead of Bieksa imo. My vote goes to Raymond.

It may not be the smart long-term move but we're in a position here where we have a shot at the cup now.

Moving either Raymond or Samuelsson alone would not clear enough cap to allow Salo to return, they would need to move another million buck's . So it's one of those two, plus a Raffe Torres or Alberts. There is no way BXa is woth his 3.75 mil cap, and why would MG ruin his depth just to keep a marginal NHL D man around, nope I believe the solution to getting Salo back into the lineup without poking a big hole in the offence or eroding the depth on D is to merely move Bxa.

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Kevin Bieksa has only had one minus game in the last 15, and has been +10 over a 15 game span. I know +/- can be a very skewed stat but it can still be used as an indicator of how a player is doing defensively. The reason i find this stat even more impressive is because Edler and Ehrhoff are on most of the time when the Sedins are on because AV likes to put them out as a 5 man unit when hes able too.

Another thing I want to contribute is it is much easier to notice a players mistake when your looking for it, which is a reason why people notice every time he makes a poor decision on the ice. He is probably the most scrutinized player on the roster.

Henrik made him an assistant captain, and I am pretty sure the best player in the NHL of last season is way more qualified than anyone else who has posted on this thread to decide how well KB contributes to the Canucks. If KB was the liability people make him out to be Gillis would of taken care of it by now.

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Tambs has replaced Raymond in my opinion. He is younger, great shot, almost as fast, about the same size, most importantly, he can actually score even strength. Not to mention we are like 16-1-2 or something when he is in the line up. He also seems to have chemistry with Kes.

Salo coming back replaced Alberts. No need to go over who is better here.

I still think it would be better to keep Raymond over Sammy, but Sammy is versatile and that will come in handy.

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Tambs has replaced Raymond in my opinion. He is younger, great shot, almost as fast, about the same size, most importantly, he can actually score even strength. Not to mention we are like 16-1-2 or something when he is in the line up. He also seems to have chemistry with Kes.

Salo coming back replaced Alberts. No need to go over who is better here.

I still think it would be better to keep Raymond over Sammy, but Sammy is versatile and that will come in handy.

Tambellini is older than Raymond... The rest of your thread I'm not understanding exactly.

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Tambs has replaced Raymond in my opinion. He is younger, great shot, almost as fast, about the same size, most importantly, he can actually score even strength. Not to mention we are like 16-1-2 or something when he is in the line up. He also seems to have chemistry with Kes.

Salo coming back replaced Alberts. No need to go over who is better here.

I still think it would be better to keep Raymond over Sammy, but Sammy is versatile and that will come in handy.

Actually Raymond is a year and a half younger than Tamby. So again you have your facts wrong. He is also a proven player, Tamby still has to maintain his great play for a whole season to be considered a permanent replacement. Tamby has filled in admirably., better than expected even, but the season is still young and only time will tell if he is an adequate replacement, in other wordsI wouldn't want to jump the gun, especially when we all know Salo would be an upgrade on Bieksa.

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Moving either Raymond or Samuelsson alone would not clear enough cap to allow Salo to return, they would need to move another million buck's . So it's one of those two, plus a Raffe Torres or Alberts. There is no way BXa is woth his 3.75 mil cap, and why would MG ruin his depth just to keep a marginal NHL D man around, nope I believe the solution to getting Salo back into the lineup without poking a big hole in the offence or eroding the depth on D is to merely move Bxa.

Would you like to make a bet?

I bet Bieksa is still with the team after the trade deadline this season.

What would you like to wager?

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Right now it's safe to say that Bieksa IS worth the $3.75mil cap hit. Only because there are far worse ones making that and more around the NHL.

I don't think Gillis puts himself in a position where he HAS to trade him. Salo is just too unreliable. So it wouldn't surprise me at all to find Bieksa still around after the trading deadline.

The question is whether or not he's still a Canuck next season.

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Would you like to make a bet?

I bet Bieksa is still with the team after the trade deadline this season.

What would you like to wager?

It would be a huge mistake to keep BXa after the trade deadline, unless the team had more injury problems, ie. one of the other top 6 were LTIR injured. Unlike Bieksa, MG isn't prone to brainfarts or costly mistakes, so I can't see him keeping the sad sack Bxa in a Nuck uniform.

I'll take your bet, with the only rider being, if none of the 5 Dmen ahead of him on the teams depth chart are injured. I'll even move the timeline up to whenever Salo returns.

What would I like to wager? How about a 100 word apology for being either a Bieksa lover or hater? I'm open to suggestion.biggrin.gif

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Actually Raymond is a year and a half younger than Tamby. So again you have your facts wrong. He is also a proven player, Tamby still has to maintain his great play for a whole season to be considered a permanent replacement. Tamby has filled in admirably., better than expected even, but the season is still young and only time will tell if he is an adequate replacement, in other wordsI wouldn't want to jump the gun, especially when we all know Salo would be an upgrade on Bieksa.

He'd be a much bigger upgrade over Alberts. far more so the Tambi being a downgrade from Raymond. Salo + Tambi > Alberts + Raymond.

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The thing that ppl forget is that Bieksa was once our star d-man. If you look back before the freaky accidents, he was awesome. Not just bc of the decent point totals. He looks like the pre-injured Bieksa now and it's a treat to watch. Saying that he is injury prone (which I've seen on this thread) is ridiculous...and he is not Salo's replacement as he has had a place on the team WITH Salo for years. We traded for 2 solid D-men bc we were tired of injuries on the blueline hurting us. So the pundits tell us that we've got to trade someone for cap space - that doesn't mean we have to trade a d-man.

I really hope that we don't trade Kevin. He's been great and he is the type of physical player we need.

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I honestly don't know what some people are watching, Bieksa's been logging huge minutes against top 6 forwards all year on one of the best teams in the league and he leads the D in plus/minus now.

He gives the puck away now and then but so does every single defenceman that's ever played the game at every level going back to the invention of hockey, and the last time I checked, that useless plug Duncan Keith had a huge lead in the giveaway department over Bieksa.

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