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If Salo returns, and a big IF, what are the chances he will return to form. Salo us turning 37 this year and is constantly injured, it wouldn't be very smart to move a quality dman for Salo unless we getting something good in return. How many playoffs are the Canucks going to go through with a decimated dcorp before they learn.

My prediction is Gillis and Gilman find a way to keep all our top dmen.

Its a very Valid concern, and probably one of the biggest reasons why I would keep KB. We cant afford to have an important player taking a month or two to get into game shape.

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1st, I was referring to your comment about the minority of posters against Bieksa being Idiots. You point them out, and I was merely stating that when someone tried to make a reasonable post against a player, they are lumped in with all the idiots. You seemed to do that in your last post by generalising bieksa "haters" all into one.

2nd, Prior to his fist skate cut, he was healthy, and was Benched by AV in the game prior to the Nashville game I think it was. Also I think it was the only time in his career here AV called out Bieksa.

You state that it seems Gillis agrees with you. Its hard for him not to at this point isnt it? Salo is Injured, and Bieksa is better than the alternatives. So stating that MG agrees with you seems a bit pompus, when in reality, wether MG wants to trade KB or not (I dont know, you may be right) Mg really doesnt have a choice at this point.

Further to that point

"It's likely that we can all talk out of our asses about it until we're blue in the cheeks. If they have to trade him there will be very little return."

Thats exactly what your doing when your stating MG seems to agree with you. It is all just speculation.

"If you think he's a prick who's only going to play well in a contract year well that's fine to have that opinion."

Where did I call him a prick? Thats getting personal, and putting words in my mouth, making out as if im some guy who just hates Bieksa for hating him. Lots of players play better in contract years. Its human nature. Being a prick has nothing to do with it.

Finally, whats with the hostile tone to your post? Have you been arguing with too many people to just simply reply to someone without having seething undertones to them?

1. It is my belief that idiots are everywhere and no I wasn't generalizing as I was specifically talking about the folks who were in this thread earlier on as large contributers.

2. He was sort of healthy but was recovering from an abdominal injury before the season even started. As far as gillis goes theres an article posted a few pages back where gillis sais he's not trading Bieksa. (or something along those lines.

You didn't call him a prick but what kind of guy would only "try" during a contract year? A prick that's who. That's my opinion so when you imply he may only be trying because it's a contract year I draw that conclusion.

There's no tone to my posts except the one you are reading into the. If you can read "seething" in my posts then you must be much smarter than I am because there's not even a hint of it. My posts are just very black and white. It would be like me saying why is there such a whiney undertone to your last statement about my seething undertone? You're not whining you're just question just like I'm not seething I'm just responding to a reasonable post reasonably.

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Yes Bieksa has been better than expected defensively, his trade value is probably as high as it has ever been, he's an F/a at the end of the season , the trade deadline is approaching fast and the team needs to clear cap space to accommodate a lower priced player who will be an upgrade in the role Bieksa currently fills.

I'm still not sure BXa would re sign unless the Nuck's were overpaying. He's still not worth his cap hit, MG can do better, I seriously doubt he is part of the Nuck's plan moving forward.

How can you GUARANTEE an aging Salo coming off of a huge injury will immediately and instantly (or ever) be a DEFINITE upgrade over Bieksa??

I expect you to be taking ALL the statistics you've been using to bash "BXA" with and keep track of them for Salo after he returns, then compare and contrast. But of course you won't do that because "you just know" that Salo is an upgrade just because of his playing history.

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Here's the real irony: The people bashing Bieksa are likely to give Salo a break if he's slow coming off his injury. You seriously think he's not going to have serious rust to shake off?

Exactly.

What if Salo comes back, holding almost the same salary as Bieksa's 3.75...

And he just REEKS up the ice, is like a -10 in his first 5 games, no points, not a physical presence, only plays VERY limited minutes and is a staple on the power play.

Is THAT so much more worth the 3.5m than Bieksa's 3.75?

Sounds to me like kind of gambling on an unknown quantity (Salo) vs. sticking with the player you know is working (We're winning, right?) - Bieksa.

I think it's way too easy for some people to point out that Bieksa's salary will cover Salo's and that's the only move we can make to get under the cap.

It's really not. MG apparently said on the radio (No I don't have a source as I heard it second-hand from another poster yesterday) that he has his best trade ever lined up and ready to go. Don't be shocked if this involves a package that does NOT involve Bieksa. Not to say I don't think it'd be logical to move him out for CAP REASONS only, there are more things to consider than just the numbers.

If we can improve the team without trading Bieksa, or improve the team WHILE trading Bieksa, I'm all for it. I trust and support MG.

Something you should probably do more of, CXLion. (See what I did there) Whatever the right move is - he'll make it. So you can stop fearing the day that the trade deadline passes and Bieksa is still on the roster - because if that's the case, it will have been the BEST POSSIBLE AVAILABLE MOVE TO BOTH IMPROVE THE TEAM AND GET UNDER THE CAP.

MG is a methodical man - he knows what he's up to and his PLAN is far deeper and more intricate than yours, I'm sure.

And yes I know you'll write this off as just another "MG knows best" post, but really, it's not. If you read, stop, think, and then process what you've just read. (As opposed to just firing up your ol' stat finder to tell me about BXA's shooting percentage)

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Exactly.

What if Salo comes back, holding almost the same salary as Bieksa's 3.75...

And he just REEKS up the ice, is like a -10 in his first 5 games, no points, not a physical presence, only plays VERY limited minutes and is a staple on the power play.

Is THAT so much more worth the 3.5m than Bieksa's 3.75?

Sounds to me like kind of gambling on an unknown quantity (Salo) vs. sticking with the player you know is working (We're winning, right?) - Bieksa.

I think it's way too easy for some people to point out that Bieksa's salary will cover Salo's and that's the only move we can make to get under the cap.

It's really not. MG apparently said on the radio (No I don't have a source as I heard it second-hand from another poster yesterday) that he has his best trade ever lined up and ready to go. Don't be shocked if this involves a package that does NOT involve Bieksa. Not to say I don't think it'd be logical to move him out for CAP REASONS only, there are more things to consider than just the numbers.

If we can improve the team without trading Bieksa, or improve the team WHILE trading Bieksa, I'm all for it. I trust and support MG.

Something you should probably do more of, CXLion. (See what I did there) Whatever the right move is - he'll make it. So you can stop fearing the day that the trade deadline passes and Bieksa is still on the roster - because if that's the case, it will have been the BEST POSSIBLE AVAILABLE MOVE TO BOTH IMPROVE THE TEAM AND GET UNDER THE CAP.

MG is a methodical man - he knows what he's up to and his PLAN is far deeper and more intricate than yours, I'm sure.

And yes I know you'll write this off as just another "MG knows best" post, but really, it's not. If you read, stop, think, and then process what you've just read. (As opposed to just firing up your ol' stat finder to tell me about BXA's shooting percentage)

Good post from start to finish. MG is an intelligent man who has learned what it takes and what is needed for a good run.

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1st, I was referring to your comment about the minority of posters against Bieksa being Idiots. You point them out, and I was merely stating that when someone tried to make a reasonable post against a player, they are lumped in with all the idiots. You seemed to do that in your last post by generalising bieksa "haters" all into one.

2nd, Prior to his fist skate cut, he was healthy, and was Benched by AV in the game prior to the Nashville game I think it was. Also I think it was the only time in his career here AV called out Bieksa.

You state that it seems Gillis agrees with you. Its hard for him not to at this point isnt it? Salo is Injured, and Bieksa is better than the alternatives. So stating that MG agrees with you seems a bit pompus, when in reality, wether MG wants to trade KB or not (I dont know, you may be right) Mg really doesnt have a choice at this point.

Further to that point

"It's likely that we can all talk out of our asses about it until we're blue in the cheeks. If they have to trade him there will be very little return."

Thats exactly what your doing when your stating MG seems to agree with you. It is all just speculation.

"If you think he's a prick who's only going to play well in a contract year well that's fine to have that opinion."

Where did I call him a prick? Thats getting personal, and putting words in my mouth, making out as if im some guy who just hates Bieksa for hating him. Lots of players play better in contract years. Its human nature. Being a prick has nothing to do with it.

Finally, whats with the hostile tone to your post? Have you been arguing with too many people to just simply reply to someone without having seething undertones to them?

After reading and re-reading EOTM's post....i'm almost 100% certain there was no undertones there. He wasn't calling you a prick at all, it seems. Rather he was inferring that only a prick would put his best foot forward in his contract year and be a slack jawed yokel in the other years. So, I'm pretty sure if you re-read it again yourself you'll see tha EOTM wasn't directing any seething undertones your way.

Just saying.

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After reading and re-reading EOTM's post....i'm almost 100% certain there was no undertones there. He wasn't calling you a prick at all, it seems. Rather he was inferring that only a prick would put his best foot forward in his contract year and be a slack jawed yokel in the other years. So, I'm pretty sure if you re-read it again yourself you'll see tha EOTM wasn't directing any seething undertones your way.

Just saying.

Beat me to it.

Besides i am the one around here, that calls people names.

EOTM is the guy that will make sense of it all.

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If Salo returns, and a big IF, what are the chances he will return to form. Salo us turning 37 this year and is constantly injured, it wouldn't be very smart to move a quality dman for Salo unless we getting something good in return. How many playoffs are the Canucks going to go through with a decimated dcorp before they learn.

My prediction is Gillis and Gilman find a way to keep all our top dmen.

Let me start, once again, by saying I have been a fan of Salo for many years. That said, this one person's opinion is that we should waive him.

Salo will not be as good as he was before his injury, I don't think. He is old for a hockey player (please, don't start comparing him to Lidstrom or Chelios because he has never been close to either!) and he will be less mobile upon his return, if he returns, as sampy and many others have mentioned.

I have said to waive Salo before and I'll say it again. Salo coming back after 10 or 11 months will be nowhere near as good as having Bieksa in the line-up at 100%. Losing Salo at this point, if claimed, wouldn't be that big a deal, folks. He would be off our books so we could keep and extend Bieksa. The Canucks are top 5 in the NHL without Salo. To think they would be any higher in the standings with him is arguable, at best.

Some would say waiving Salo would be disrespectful. Perhaps you're right. Some would say it would turn off free agents from signing here. Maybe, maybe not. We have many 40 point potential defencemen in our line-up already. Salo has become redundant, in a manner of speaking. Waiving him would sure get rid of a huge problem, though.

Flame away, folks!

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Let me start, once again, by saying I have been a fan of Salo for many years. That said, this one person's opinion is that we should waive him.

Salo will not be as good as he was before his injury, I don't think. He is old for a hockey player (please, don't start comparing him to Lidstrom or Chelios because he has never been close to either!) and he will be less mobile upon his return, if he returns, as sampy and many others have mentioned.

I have said to waive Salo before and I'll say it again. Salo coming back after 10 or 11 months will be nowhere near as good as having Bieksa in the line-up at 100%. Losing Salo at this point, if claimed, wouldn't be that big a deal, folks. He would be off our books so we could keep and extend Bieksa. The Canucks are top 5 in the NHL without Salo. To think they would be any higher in the standings with him is arguable, at best.

Some would say waiving Salo would be disrespectful. Perhaps you're right. Some would say it would turn off free agents from signing here. Maybe, maybe not. We have many 40 point potential defencemen in our line-up already. Salo has become redundant, in a manner of speaking. Waiving him would sure get rid of a huge problem, though.

Flame away, folks!

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I'm sure if you give him the option of being traded to a contending team (thus allowing us to get something in return), he would waive his NTC, rather then going on waivers.

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Let me start, once again, by saying I have been a fan of Salo for many years. That said, this one person's opinion is that we should waive him.

Salo will not be as good as he was before his injury, I don't think. He is old for a hockey player (please, don't start comparing him to Lidstrom or Chelios because he has never been close to either!) and he will be less mobile upon his return, if he returns, as sampy and many others have mentioned.

I have said to waive Salo before and I'll say it again. Salo coming back after 10 or 11 months will be nowhere near as good as having Bieksa in the line-up at 100%. Losing Salo at this point, if claimed, wouldn't be that big a deal, folks. He would be off our books so we could keep and extend Bieksa. The Canucks are top 5 in the NHL without Salo. To think they would be any higher in the standings with him is arguable, at best.

Some would say waiving Salo would be disrespectful. Perhaps you're right. Some would say it would turn off free agents from signing here. Maybe, maybe not. We have many 40 point potential defencemen in our line-up already. Salo has become redundant, in a manner of speaking. Waiving him would sure get rid of a huge problem, though.

Flame away, folks!

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Agreed 100%

But I think MG just has this massive trick up his sleeve that everyone will be like WAOHHHH when they see it.. I've just got a feeling

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