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Actually, that is fair enough. I suppose I should have said that his spike in +/- is a direct result of the spike in 5 on 5 production from the top 2 lines during that period of time. Well, I actually did say that too.

EDIT: Nowhere in my response that you quote did I say he played more time than anyone else or than he did previously. I just said that it was a result of time playing with them. I dont see how that is a false statement.

I would bet that he has received more time with the Sedins and Kesler lately than he had previously though.

EDIT 2: I also love it when this is the only thing people can find in my post to refute considering my point that you guys were arguing has now been statistically proven to you.

That right there is what nullifies your entire point my friend.

As well it's not too uncommon for better players to play with better players. Bieksa is one of the teams best D this entire season (is the best D playing atm) so shouldn't he be playing with the likes of Kesler and the Sedins. I would bet he gets more time with the second line but ohhh...see what I did? Cheeky little monkey I am.

btw I haven't had a chance here but I hope your family is all good man.

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That right there is what nullifies your entire point my friend.

As well it's not too uncommon for better players to play with better players. Bieksa is one of the teams best D this entire season (is the best D playing atm) so shouldn't he be playing with the likes of Kesler and the Sedins. I would bet he gets more time with the second line but ohhh...see what I did? Cheeky little monkey I am.

btw I haven't had a chance here but I hope your family is all good man.

That right there nullifies your whole post, Ehrhoff is the best by a mile atm, unless you mean the atm machine where of course Bxa is the highest paid atm. lol

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No, as I said Ehrhoff had a rough game but Bxa wasn't really any better, Ehrhoff is a better Dman by a mile and MG will show that when he re signs Ehrhoff and let's Bxa walk this off season, if not sooner.

That won't prove anything, other than MG thinks it's easier to find defensive players than offensive ones. (which I agree with, BTW) However, it won't change the fact that Ehrhoff can change the game defensively as well as offensively, but not in a good way.

If Ehrhoff's performance against the Ducks was viewed in the same manner that Bieksa's was for the first 200 pages of this thread, there would be at least a dozen CDC members (you included) claiming that Bieksa "cost us the game".

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That right there nullifies your whole post, Ehrhoff is the best by a mile atm, unless you mean the atm machine where of course Bxa is the highest paid atm. lol

No, defencively he is not and there's plenty of statistical evidence for even a 'moran' to see that Bieksa is better at defending.

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No, defencively he is not and there's plenty of statistical evidence for even a 'moran' to see that Bieksa is better at defending.

lol, like Bxa still leads the team in giveaways? or the incredible difference in the 2 players career +/-? A couple of pages ago I pointed out Bxa's career +/- was plus 3 and Ehrhoff's was plus 67. Not even close.

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lol, like Bxa still leads the team in giveaways? or the incredible difference in the 2 players career +/-? A couple of pages ago I pointed out Bxa's career +/- was plus 3 and Ehrhoff's was plus 67. Not even close.

You're conflating this year with the total sum of years. We are talking about who is better defencively this year, big guy.

This year Bieksa is a +24 and Ehrhoff is a +10...since you brought up the +/- rating of both players. Bieksa is more than a 2 to 1 ration in comparison to hits when compared to Ehrhoff, Bieksa having 88, while Ehrhoff having only 36. And defencively, Bieksa has more than a 3 to 1 ration in takeaways than Ehrhoff, Bieksa having 37, while Ehrhoff only has 11. Bieksa is also being used a tonne more than Ehrhoff on the PK....a special team that requires your best defenders on the ice.....and the numbers tell the story as to who the coaching staff have the most defensive confidence in....with Bieksa playing a total of 140:51 minutes in total on the penalty kill, compared to Ehrhoff's 99:02 minutes on the penalty kill.

Again....I bring solid numbers in comparison, for my assertion.....and you bring your lol's.

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lol, like Bxa still leads the team in giveaways? or the incredible difference in the 2 players career +/-? A couple of pages ago I pointed out Bxa's career +/- was plus 3 and Ehrhoff's was plus 67. Not even close.

did you just miss the statistical breakdown posted of Bieksa versus Ehrhoff playing with each of the lines? in the last two months Bieksa has been on the ice for less goals against and more goals for for all four lines in comparison to Ehrhoff. How could you say Ehrhoff was the better dmen in Anaheim when he was -3 and Bieksa was +1 lol

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You're conflating this year with the total sum of years. We are talking about who is better defencively this year, big guy.

This year Bieksa is a +24 and Ehrhoff is a +10...since you brought up the +/- rating of both players. Bieksa is more than a 2 to 1 ration in comparison to hits when compared to Ehrhoff, Bieksa having 88, while Ehrhoff having only 36. And defencively, Bieksa has more than a 3 to 1 ration in takeaways than Ehrhoff, Bieksa having 37, while Ehrhoff only has 11. Bieksa is also being used a tonne more than Ehrhoff on the PK....a special team that requires your best defenders on the ice.....and the numbers tell the story as to who the coaching staff have the most defensive confidence in....with Bieksa playing a total of 140:51 minutes in total on the penalty kill, compared to Ehrhoff's 99:02 minutes on the penalty kill.

Again....I bring solid numbers in comparison, for my assertion.....and you bring your lol's.

solid #'s?

between your and Sameer666's statistical diarrhea , your numbers are about as solid as a dump by a guy on a liquid diet.

If using career numbers is too large and credible a method for your analysis, lets talk just the last 2 seasons. Let's see here, Bxa finished last year@ minus 5, add this year's amazing plus 24 and you get a plus 19.

Now the Hoff, a paltry PLUS 36 last year, and a plus 10 this year = plus 46. Like I said, not even close.lol

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solid #'s?

between your and Sameer666's statistical diarrhea , your numbers are about as solid as a dump by a guy on a liquid diet.

If using career numbers is too large and credible a method for your analysis, lets talk just the last 2 seasons. Let's see here, Bxa finished last year@ minus 5, add this year's amazing plus 24 and you get a plus 19.

Now the Hoff, a paltry PLUS 36 last year, and a plus 10 this year = plus 46. Like I said, not even close.lol

Well, at least you're starting to comprehend a bit more.....now let's bring that comprehension into more focus.

The assertion is that Bieksa is better defencively than Ehrhoff this year....now....go ahead and compare their plus/minus again, on its own....since how one plays is determined year to year.

And yes, my numbers are solid...because they come from the NHL......do you have some other more authoritative source for statistics....besides only watching games...and missing chunks of them at a time, usually?

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That right there nullifies your whole post, Ehrhoff is the best by a mile atm, unless you mean the atm machine where of course Bxa is the highest paid atm. lol

He should be but the unfortunate truth is that he hasn't. That doesn't mean he's been bad but there seems to be a difference between this year and last in terms of play.

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That right there nullifies your whole post, Ehrhoff is the best by a mile atm, unless you mean the atm machine where of course Bxa is the highest paid atm. lol

Your nullifying your own posts with this one. They are arguing who's the best Canucks dman at this moment and your using past season stats to argue it. The only way to see who the best dman is right now is current stats. And the current stat is in the last two months Bieksa has been on for more goals for and less goals against for each individual line. A stat which you selectively ignored cause there is no argument against it. Over the last two months Bieksa has been a better dman than Ehrhoff. Funny how there was a whole discussion about this stat and you choose to ignore it.

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solid #'s?

between your and Sameer666's statistical diarrhea , your numbers are about as solid as a dump by a guy on a liquid diet.

If using career numbers is too large and credible a method for your analysis, lets talk just the last 2 seasons. Let's see here, Bxa finished last year@ minus 5, add this year's amazing plus 24 and you get a plus 19.

Now the Hoff, a paltry PLUS 36 last year, and a plus 10 this year = plus 46. Like I said, not even close.lol

LePussy,

Since you like career numbers so much, why don't we let go of BOTH Bieksa and Ehrhoff, and sign Paul Coffey instead then? His numbers blows away both Bieksa AND Ehrhoff combined.

Checkmate.

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He should be but the unfortunate truth is that he hasn't. That doesn't mean he's been bad but there seems to be a difference between this year and last in terms of play.

So that means the Hoff is playing his consistent puck moving , point producing, positive plus +/- game. Which he has done, I might add, for a half million less a year than Bxa does his 'contract year', once every leap year, free agency approaches, dance.

Nope, due to injuries, I'm glad MG went with 6 guys who could play top 4 minutes this year and it looks like it will pay off defensively, especially by playoff time.

Hopefully Hamhuis will be OK, Edler's surgery will be 100% successful, Ballard's knee will return to 100% and Salo will be up to speed.

If so, I really look forward to the depth at D doing the job for the Nuck's in the post season.

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So that means the Hoff is playing his consistent puck moving , point producing, positive plus +/- game. Which he has done, I might add, for a half million less a year than Bxa does his 'contract year', once every leap year, free agency approaches, dance.

Nope, due to injuries, I'm glad MG went with 6 guys who could play top 4 minutes this year and it looks like it will pay off defensively, especially by playoff time.

Hopefully Hamhuis will be OK, Edler's surgery will be 100% successful, Ballard's knee will return to 100% and Salo will be up to speed.

If so, I really look forward to the depth at D doing the job for the Nuck's in the post season.

Now you want to keep Bieksa for the post-season? Now you finally see Bieksa is a valuable member of this team's success? Make up your mind buddy.

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LePussy,

Since you like career numbers so much, why don't we let go of BOTH Bieksa and Ehrhoff, and sign Paul Coffey instead then? His numbers blows away both Bieksa AND Ehrhoff combined.

Checkmate.

Wussy, checkmate? lol, More like you must have checked your brain at the door before you posted.

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Wussy, checkmate? lol, More like you must have checked your brain at the door before you posted.

Hmm, another substance-less post from you, what's new.

YOU are the one who wants to use career numbers, not me.

YOU are the one who wants to ignore present, current numbers, not me.

I am just using YOUR logic. If you think that post fail, then everything you have ever posted in this thread failed also because you disagreed with your own logic, you agreed that your own logic is a failure.

It IS checkmate on your logic any way you cut it. There is no talking your way out of it anymore. No way out for you now.

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