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Honestly I wouldn't look too much into this, I am sure it would of happened the same way if the injuries happened in another order. It is just getting to be a bit too much now.

Honestly, even with BXa having his best year evah, he doesn't crack the TSN top 40 NHL defenceman rankings. lol

But Edler is in there at # 7, Ehrhoff is there @ # 12, and Hamhuis is there @ #39.

Bxa will be easily replaced as MG moves forward next year.

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=10465

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Honestly, even with BXa having his best year evah, he doesn't crack the TSN top 40 NHL defenceman rankings. lol

But Edler is in there at # 7, Ehrhoff is there @ # 12, and Hamhuis is there @ #39.

Bxa will be easily replaced as MG moves forward next year.

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=10465

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Love the heading...."Fantasy News"....lol

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Yep, I'm surprised that with a fantasy heading Bxa isn't in there, it would be an apologists fantasy. He might be listed under top 10 nightmare defensive gaffes though.

I love how you've now moved to 'fantasy' rankings as your basis for a criticism. It only reinforces that you have no credible or legitimate cirticisms left.....in the 'real' world.

You keep on clinging to your fantasy lists...as you undoubtedly cling to the last shreds of reality.....you poor delusional 'coach'.

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Yep, I'm surprised that with a fantasy heading Bxa isn't in there, it would be an apologists fantasy. He might be listed under top 10 nightmare defensive gaffes though.

I hear the Canucks are holding a coaching workshop around the end of the month. Maybe you should sign up. That way you can give AV some tips and point out what a mistake he's making playing the useless Bieksa so many minutes. This is your big chance coach. Go for it!

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One thing I noticed, Edler goes down, we still win. Ballard goes down, we still win. Hamhuis goes down,we struggle but we win. Alberts goes down, our depth is really tested but we win. BIEKSA GOES DOWN, WE LOSE. Maybe he pulls this defensive core together way more than many in here give/gave him credit for.

Let's be fair here. Do you really think if Bieksa had gone down first instead of Edler that the team would suddenly have started losing?

He is having a great season but he is not nearly as important as you are suggesting. He is part of a very good D corps. He is not the ONLY reason the team has been winning.

Once Hamhuis went down and Bieksa had a rookie partner, he did not look nearly as good as he does with Hamhuis. So, the fantasy that he alone is carrying our D is ridiculous.

Let's give some credit to our other D as well.

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Let's be fair here. Do you really think if Bieksa had gone down first instead of Edler that the team would suddenly have started losing?

He is having a great season but he is not nearly as important as you are suggesting. He is part of a very good D corps. He is not the ONLY reason the team has been winning.

Once Hamhuis went down and Bieksa had a rookie partner, he did not look nearly as good as he does with Hamhuis. So, the fantasy that he alone is carrying our D is ridiculous.

Let's give some credit to our other D as well.

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I'm surprised CANUCKLELION hasnt brought up the argument that since we are winning without Bieksa that he's useless....

Or has he....

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I'm surprised CANUCKLELION hasnt brought up the argument that since we are winning without Bieksa that he's useless....

Or has he....

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No but Tanev sure looks like he will replace Bxa as the right handed shot AV covets, on the Nuck's next year, and at a fraction of the cost. Tanev skates, better, shoots better and he will fill out with time to be bigger than Bxa.

I can't see them not re signing Ehrhoff, he is a beast, he is a consistent and reliable big minute muncher who was making the big hits, stuffing breakaways and generally playing great last night.

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No but Tanev sure looks like he will replace Bxa as the right handed shot AV covets, on the Nuck's next year, and at a fraction of the cost. Tanev skates, better, shoots better and he will fill out with time to be bigger than Bxa.

I can't see them not re signing Ehrhoff, he is a beast, he is a consistent and reliable big minute muncher who was making the big hits, stuffing breakaways and generally playing great last night.

It really is quite pathetic...

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No but Tanev sure looks like he will replace Bxa as the right handed shot AV covets, on the Nuck's next year, and at a fraction of the cost. Tanev skates, better, shoots better and he will fill out with time to be bigger than Bxa.

I can't see them not re signing Ehrhoff, he is a beast, he is a consistent and reliable big minute muncher who was making the big hits, stuffing breakaways and generally playing great last night.

So what if Ehrhoff wants like 5.5+? You still sign him?

And no, he has not been a consistent reliable blah blah blah. His played has really dipped lately, mainly BECAUSE of the minutes he is playing. He can't handle "big minutes" that he has been playing since all the injuries, especially without Edler (who is who you described there, not Ehrhoff). And Ehrhoff makes big hits? I can't think of a single big hit he has layed. He is 15th on the team in hits, ahead of only Raymond and the Sedins for guy who have played a significant number of games.

So I see your inability to analyze defencemen play isn't limited to Bieksa, at least.

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Hey Canucklelion, I just checked up Turnover/Giveaway stats again. Ehrhoff is catching up to Bieksa.

57 Games this season for both players so far.

Bieksa 37 Giveaway, 39 Takeaways

Ehrhoff 34 Giveaways, 13 Takeaways

What do you got to say about this?

I took the liberty of comparing all defensive stats between the two also

Hits : Bieksas with 97, Ehrhoff with 39

Blocked Shots : Bieksa with 81, Ehrhoff with 84

Giveaways : Bieksa with 37, Ehrhoff with 34

Takeaways : Bieksa with 39, Ehrhoff with 13 (Tanev would actually have more if you stretch his pace over a season)

Plus/Minus : Bieksa +26(League leader), Ehrhoff +12

Minor Penalties : Bieksa with 27, Ehrhoff with 19 (They are 1 and 2 for the team)

Even Strength points : Bieksa has 17, Ehrhoff has 12

So over this season, Bieksa is significantly more physical, blocks the same amount of shots, gives away the puck the same amount, takes away the puck 3 times more often, has been on the ice even strength for 14 more goals than Ehrhoff and has been more productive 5 on 5. The only category which Ehrhoff significantly better that Bieksa in is minor penalties.

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So what if Ehrhoff wants like 5.5+? You still sign him?

And no, he has not been a consistent reliable blah blah blah. His played has really dipped lately, mainly BECAUSE of the minutes he is playing. He can't handle "big minutes" that he has been playing since all the injuries, especially without Edler (who is who you described there, not Ehrhoff). And Ehrhoff makes big hits? I can't think of a single big hit he has layed. He is 15th on the team in hits, ahead of only Raymond and the Sedins for guy who have played a significant number of games.

So I see your inability to analyze defencemen play isn't limited to Bieksa, at least.

His plus 36 last year combined with the most minutes played reinforces the fact he is a reliable big minute muncher, and maybe you didn't watch the game last night where he stapled Star's to the boards at least 3 or 4 times, combined with his single handedly stuffing a break away. You sir are the guy who doesn't recognize an elite NHL Dman and yes MG would be better spending the cap by paying the Hoff 5 mil rather than wasting any money on BXa , who can be easily replaced with the entry level cap hit of Tanev or Sauve for that matter.

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His plus 36 last year combined with the most minutes played reinforces the fact he is a reliable big minute muncher, and maybe you didn't watch the game last night where he stapled Star's to the boards at least 3 or 4 times, combined with his single handedly stuffing a break away. You sir are the guy who doesn't recognize an elite NHL Dman and yes MG would be better spending the cap by paying the Hoff 5 mil rather than wasting any money on BXa , who can be easily replaced with the entry level cap hit of Tanev or Sauve for that matter.

I am really confused now about +/-. When Ehrhoff has an impressive rating, it's good, but when Bieksa has an impressive rating, it's no good? Please clear this up for me.

I was playing poker last night so I only saw bits and pieces of the game. Ehrhoff was credited with 1 hit last night. And even if he did have 3 or 4 that the stats keeper missed, that doesn't make up for an entire season of little physical play.

Last year, he did lead in minutes but still averaged 22:47. He is averaging a minute more this season and has played 26, 27, 26, 29, 24, 22, 25, 24, 23 minutes since Edler's injury. You can see how his time has increased as the injuries have piled up. He is not the type of defenceman that can play these types of minutes, few are in the league. This has easily been his worst stretch of games in a Canucks uniform (understandably) and if you can't recognize that, than I don't know what to say.

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Hey Canucklelion, I just checked up Turnover/Giveaway stats again. Ehrhoff is catching up to Bieksa.

57 Games this season for both players so far.

Bieksa 37 Giveaway, 39 Takeaways

Ehrhoff 34 Giveaways, 13 Takeaways

What do you got to say about this?

I took the liberty of comparing all defensive stats between the two also

Hits : Bieksas with 97, Ehrhoff with 39

Blocked Shots : Bieksa with 81, Ehrhoff with 84

Giveaways : Bieksa with 37, Ehrhoff with 34

Takeaways : Bieksa with 39, Ehrhoff with 13 (Tanev would actually have more if you stretch his pace over a season)

Plus/Minus : Bieksa +26(League leader), Ehrhoff +12

Minor Penalties : Bieksa with 27, Ehrhoff with 19 (They are 1 and 2 for the team)

Even Strength points : Bieksa has 17, Ehrhoff has 12

So over this season, Bieksa is significantly more physical, blocks the same amount of shots, gives away the puck the same amount, takes away the puck 3 times more often, has been on the ice even strength for 14 more goals than Ehrhoff and has been more productive 5 on 5. The only category which Ehrhoff significantly better that Bieksa in is minor penalties.

I don't understand why people try to compare Bieksa and Ehrhoff as if they are similar players. They are two different types of player and both have their strengths and weaknesses. Ehrhoff is a much better offensive player than Bieksa overall, is faster, is a better passer, and has a better shot. He is also a guy who can effectively quarterback a PP and has been a huge factor in the PP success this season because of how he meshes so well with the Sedins. Bieksa has been all but useless on the 2nd unit, which looked terrible all season long from the backend until Salo came back. That all counts for something as well.

A true effective PP quarterback is much harder to find.

If you had compared them last year under the same guidelines, what would the results have been? I am willing to bet some of those advantages would have been reversed.

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I don't understand why people try to compare Bieksa and Ehrhoff as if they are similar players. They are two different types of player and both have their strengths and weaknesses. Ehrhoff is a much better offensive player than Bieksa overall, is faster, is a better passer, and has a better shot. He is also a guy who can effectively quarterback a PP and has been a huge factor in the PP success this season because of how he meshes so well with the Sedins. Bieksa has been all but useless on the 2nd unit, which looked terrible all season long from the backend until Salo came back. That all counts for something as well.

A true effective PP quarterback is much harder to find.

If you had compared them last year under the same guidelines, what would the results have been? I am willing to bet some of those advantages would have been reversed.

career PPG seem to indicate that Ehrhoff is in fact not "a much better offensive player than Bieksa overall" although that may be your opinion.

Bieksa 0.426

Ehrhoff 0.443

Salo 0.410

Edler 0.443

Ballard 0.35  

As for QBing the PP that goes to Mr Sedin.

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I am really confused now about +/-. When Ehrhoff has an impressive rating, it's good, but when Bieksa has an impressive rating, it's no good? Please clear this up for me.

I was playing poker last night so I only saw bits and pieces of the game. Ehrhoff was credited with 1 hit last night. And even if he did have 3 or 4 that the stats keeper missed, that doesn't make up for an entire season of little physical play.

Last year, he did lead in minutes but still averaged 22:47. He is averaging a minute more this season and has played 26, 27, 26, 29, 24, 22, 25, 24, 23 minutes since Edler's injury. You can see how his time has increased as the injuries have piled up. He is not the type of defenceman that can play these types of minutes, few are in the league. This has easily been his worst stretch of games in a Canucks uniform (understandably) and if you can't recognize that, than I don't know what to say.

So if you call BXa' s currently being plus16 higher than Ehrhoff impressive, what would you call Ehrhoff's plus 41 higher than Bxa's performance last year? Out of this world?

Ehrhoff is far more consistent than Bxa whether playing big minutes or not. Last year I recall Ehrhoff at 29 minutes a couple of times, he is a guy AV can rely on for big minutes, whereas playing big minutes for Bxa is fairly new development and always an adventure, kinda like a box o chocolates. lol

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