RUPERTKBD Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Bieksa has shown previously and this season that he can play better when in a contract year. Is he consciously choosing to do so? Probably not, but the fact is what it is and the result has so far been the same. Dismiss it if you must. It is all psychology. There is evidence to support this claim. However, there is also evidence to support the claim that Bieksa plays better in years where he hasn't been hampered by serious injury. I suppose it all depends on which factor one considers to have had the greatest effect. I will grant that a supposedly healthy Kevin Bieksa had a horrendous start to last season. However, I believe he had started to turn his game around when he was cut by Prucha's skate. I don't believe he ever really got back into form after returning from that injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarvis Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I don't necessarily disagree with you. It's impossible to explain why things are they way they are as clear-cut black and white. However, the point in my post doesn't quite relate, nor does it seem that it disagrees with your assessment. My problem is with those who believe that Bieksa has only played well due to it being a contract year, whether it is subconscious or not. I mean, simply put, the pressure of showcasing yourself must bear down on a player at some point, however, it shouldn't take away from the fact that Bieksa's game itself has improved, due to him individually as well as other factors. I find it to be completely off-putting and lazy to attribute all of Bieksa's ongoing improvements as simply because of a contract year, and that he'll simply "revert back to poor play" once this season is over. He's found a steady role, a steady partner, and a very good defensive chemistry. There is nothing to prove that he won't play just as well if he finally stays in this consistent state. If doubters can look into the future, or alter the past so that Bieksa doesn't get sliced open twice, then I think it's easier to have a case. However, since most can't, my opinion stands. Hmmm. Contract year, leg cut in half year. Which one better determines your level of play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Hmmm. Contract year, leg cut in half year. Which one better determines your level of play? I know which one gets my vote, but then again, I'm not a psychologist..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesy_shoes Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Well, if he subconsciously plays better in his contract year, then he is subconsciously going to play better when it matters most. This is a bad thing? All you have to gauge is if he wants to win the cup (financial beneficial for him) and if he wants to win for his teammates (Kesler is his "brother") All these contract year players should in theory play better in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Well, if he subconsciously plays better in his contract year, then he is subconsciously going to play better when it matters most. This is a bad thing? All you have to gauge is if he wants to win the cup (financial beneficial for him) and if he wants to win for his teammates (Kesler is his "brother") All these contract year players should in theory play better in the playoffs. Apparently he "subconsciously" play like a dolt in the playoffs. Maybe we can hire Bieksa after his retirement as the team yogi or Dr Phil or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Hmmm. Contract year, leg cut in half year. Which one better determines your level of play? Hmm, well add up all Salo's injuries for example and if his level of play dropped as low as Bxa's did after his long rehab periods, Salo certainly wouldn't be a Nuck today. As I've said in the past pointing to Bxa's injuries as an excuse for his poor play prior to this year is a cop out. Injuries are part of the game. Truly talented players return to form in less time, let alone less than 4 years after an injury, (concussions excluded), ergo my theory is Bxa is not nearly as gifted or truly a talented player as the average apologist makes him out to be. He was the highest paid Nuck D man for the last 3 years and next year I figure MG will replace him with either an entry level guy or a player for less than 2 mil. The D won't miss a beat without him. Mind you his sneer will be hard to replace.lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0medyClub Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Let's just over analyze everything instead of keeping it simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Let's just over analyze everything instead of keeping it simple. You're next on the couch. Or not. I certainly wouldn't want Employee of the Month as my client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTzuMe Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Hmm, well add up all Salo's injuries for example and if his level of play dropped as low as Bxa's did after his long rehab periods, Salo certainly wouldn't be a Nuck today. As I've said in the past pointing to Bxa's injuries as an excuse for his poor play prior to this year is a cop out. Injuries are part of the game. Truly talented players return to form in less time, let alone less than 4 years after an injury, (concussions excluded), ergo my theory is Bxa is not nearly as gifted or truly a talented player as the average apologist makes him out to be. He was the highest paid Nuck D man for the last 3 years and next year I figure MG will replace him with either an entry level guy or a player for less than 2 mil. The D won't miss a beat without him. Mind you his sneer will be hard to replace.lol. Delusional... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sameer666 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Hmm, well add up all Salo's injuries for example and if his level of play dropped as low as Bxa's did after his long rehab periods, Salo certainly wouldn't be a Nuck today. As I've said in the past pointing to Bxa's injuries as an excuse for his poor play prior to this year is a cop out. Injuries are part of the game. Truly talented players return to form in less time, let alone less than 4 years after an injury, (concussions excluded), ergo my theory is Bxa is not nearly as gifted or truly a talented player as the average apologist makes him out to be. He was the highest paid Nuck D man for the last 3 years and next year I figure MG will replace him with either an entry level guy or a player for less than 2 mil. The D won't miss a beat without him. Mind you his sneer will be hard to replace.lol. you should research Bieksas injury that he had twice. it took Morrison over a year to heal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I don't know whats going on in this thread, but I just wanna say, I hope Bieksa comes back ASAP. I love this guy plays the game with heart. Very glad we got Hamhuis and Ballard back. Just need Juice and Edler back, well Alberts too but he's like the 8th defender on our team. (Just for depth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoopsy Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Hmm, Bieksa playing without Hamhuis is still a + player Hamhuis playing without Bieksa is right away a - player Telling LePussy something he doesn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champions of Nothing Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Was looking through some old comments and came across this: CANUCKLELION 12 Feb 2010 - 11:17 Sanford your bottom 6 ranting is getting tiresome, lately you wanted MG towaive all of them. lol. Me,I can't stand Hansen's play, but when he has a good game I compliment him. I doubt he can keep it up, but hope he does.I never see you recognize a solid game by the botm 6 or a well coached game by AV. Do you think the team would have a winning record if the #3+4 lines were1/2 as bad as you imply. What kind of person wouldn't compliment a player that they may not be a big fan of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I really miss Juice's presence on the blueline. Watching the D tonight was like watching a chicken with its head cut off......and Rome...ugh... Can't wait for the HamJuice reunification game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinated.pea Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I really miss Juice's presence on the blueline. Watching the D tonight was like watching a chicken with its head cut off......and Rome...ugh... Can't wait for the HamJuice reunification game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick-in-Rink Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Missing Juice out there I feel empty watching the Canucks, he brings a lot to the team. He should be back in another week or two hopefully, can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0medyClub Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <br />You're next on the couch. Or not.<br /><br />I certainly wouldn't want Employee of the Month as my client.<br />I have no idea what the hell that's suppose to mean, lol. Now I understand. Durr. ..Terrible IE post editor.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I don't know if Bieksa would have helped or not but I thought Salo had a rough game as well as Tanev. Rome is Rome, you know what you're getting with him. The whole D tonight looked generally dishevelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 As for skating I don't see the evidence that Ehrhoff is vastly better than Bieksa. He has a smoother for but that doesn't necessarily mean the end result is quote unquote better. Sometimes I read a comment like the above and am stopped in my tracks. Astounding. Ehrhoff can pull away from opponents in his own zone in a few strides. Bieksa has below-average acceleration. It takes him quite a while to work into a full glide. It's sad how the Bieksa lovers need to create these delusional beliefs in order to boost their own poster boy. Edit: Oh, and wait for it. The next time Bieksa gets beaten one-on-one the excuse will be: "he's still recovering from an injured foot". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Sometimes I read a comment like the above and am stopped in my tracks. Astounding. Ehrhoff can pull away from opponents in his own zone in a few strides. Bieksa has below-average acceleration. It takes him quite a while to work into a full glide. It's sad how the Bieksa lovers need to create these delusional beliefs in order to boost their own poster boy. Edit: Oh, and wait for it. The next time Bieksa gets beaten one-on-one the excuse will be: "he's still recovering from an injured foot". Has nothing to do with delusional. The comment was in reference to Ehrhoff being "vastly" better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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