Hugemanskost Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Good post by a good educator of small and simple minds, both here and elsewhere. Thanks, Sharpie! It's getting awfully quiet in here, isnt it? Looks like we "Bieksa Apologists" have silenced the epic Bieksa thread temporarily. H&D and CL must be secretly planning their next mode of attack on Bieksa via PM as we speak. No freakin' doubt they'll be back, though. And that's a good thing because it would be a shame if this fine tread died such a quick death. Kevin Bieksa, you are really... a part of a team defence that is struggling to cover the defensive half of the ice well at the moment. Let's just not look at KB3 all the time for help in front of the net. I haven't seen too much support down low from ANY of our centres all freakin' season. It's almost a guarantee to see a slack-jawed Canuck's centre skating through the slo-motion replay after an opposition tally. Time to hit AV's big, shiny, red button and employ the unbeatable 1-3-1 "Plus Sign" system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Why was he playing if he was useless? Ask AV, probably because a one armed Hoff was a better option than anyone else. But , to be fair, AV did reduce his responsibilities, Hoff wasn't on the point for the 2 for 32 PP embarassment in the SCF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Nice stats Baggins. I like how you and employeeofthemonth keep proving them wrong with actual facts and their replies are simply opinions. It makes them look rediculous. EhrhoffEffect hasn't responded to any of your facts, I guess he's had enough, lol. Sampy , Baggins has proven nothing. I am talking facts, an actual 95 points in 2 years from Hoff to be replaced, Baggins is projecting a full season based on a 1/4 season played. It's rudiculous., because if he was accurrate the Nuck's maqy not make the playoff's based on extrapolating their record to date this season against a full season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Hmmmm... Ehrhoff = 2 goals, 11 assists for 13 points and he is a -5... all for only $10M! What a deal! Bieksa= 1 goal, 10 assists for 11 points and he is a -4... all for only $7M! Bieksa's seems to be the better deal, so far. Both have played 25 games. Bieksa sees far less PP time and it is with the 2nd unit. KB3 also averages 2 minutes less per game than Mr. Errorhoff. These stats will change and the Ehrhoff fanboys will say that they will favor Christy by the end of the season. Only time will tell. All I know is that having a soft-shelled turtle on our D right now certainly wouldn't make it any tougher. lol no fooling, I wonder how many second assists Bxa will get like the one he got on Cody's last goal. Bxa clears the puck, Cody picks it up, does a give and go with Hanson and scores, so technically Coho both scored and assisted on the goal. But because that is not the practise used so Bxa gets the assist. talk about a cheap point.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Sampy , Baggins has proven nothing. I am talking facts, an actual 95 points in 2 years from Hoff to be replaced, Baggins is projecting a full season based on a 1/4 season played. It's rudiculous., because if he was accurrate the Nuck's maqy not make the playoff's based on extrapolating their record to date this season against a full season. If you read my entire post I did say, "we'll see at the end of the season". Actually based on extrapolating their record to date they would make the playoffs. They are currently in 8th while no team below them has played fewer games and 5 teams above them have played more games. Wrong yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Ask AV, probably because a one armed Hoff was a better option than anyone else. But , to be fair, AV did reduce his responsibilities, Hoff wasn't on the point for the 2 for 32 PP embarassment in the SCF. I'd say "the one armed Hoff" is just another of your gross exaggerations. Do you even watch the games or do you just babble on about your own little fantasies? Game 7 game stats: Link: http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20102011/ES030417.HTM So the guy that couldn't shoot took 4 shots. The guy that didn't play the PP logged the most PP time. Do I need to upload the stats from the other 6 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 If you read my entire post I did say, "we'll see at the end of the season". Actually based on extrapolating their record to date they would make the playoffs. They are currently in 8th while no team below them has played fewer games and 5 teams above them have played more games. Wrong yet again. too funny, if you read my post instead of fantasizing, you would notice I said may not make the playoffs. Granted may came out as a typo , but still the may not, message was clear. Thus I was not incorrect or wrong as you say. lol I'd say "the one armed Hoff" is just another of your gross exaggerations. Do you even watch the games or do you just babble on about your own little fantasies? Game 7 game stats: Link: http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20102011/ES030417.HTM So the guy that couldn't shoot took 4 shots. The guy that didn't play the PP logged the most PP time. Do I need to upload the stats from the other 6 games? No, but you would have to get your nose out of the stats book and actually have had to of watched the games and you would have noticed that Hoff's usually lethal shot was at about 10% of its usual velocity and accuracy. Hoff was not on the #1 PP in the SCF, the only reason he was out on the second was because even as Hoff's injury was physically limiting him to 10% of his abilities, he was a better option than the 100% healthy Bxa, for both passing and shooting on the PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 This game has been an excellent example of the forwards covering a pinching Dman. This should be replayed for them so they can do this consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 too funny, if you read my post instead of fantasizing, you would notice I said may not make the playoffs. Granted may came out as a typo , but still the may not, message was clear. Thus I was not incorrect or wrong as you say. lol No, but {A} you would have to get your nose out of the stats book and actually have had to of watched the games and you would have noticed that Hoff's usually lethal shot was at about 10% of its usual velocity and accuracy. {B} Hoff was not on the #1 PP in the SCF, the only reason he was out on the second was because even as Hoff's injury was physically limiting him to 10% of his abilities, he was a better option than the 100% healthy Bxa, for both passing and shooting on the PP. {A} This coming from the guy that claimed Ehrhoff DIDN'T play the PP and COULDN'T shoot the puck. {B} Goal number 3 shorthanded by the Bruins. Which would mean the Canucks were on the PP. Since when are numbers 17, 22, 23, 33 the 2nd PP unit? Your posts are nothing but fantasy and gross exaggerations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sameer666 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Ehrhoff VS Bieksa assessment after 26 Games played by each Bieksa 2 Goals 10 Assists -2 44 Hits 39 Blocked Shots 22 Missed Shots 17 Giveaways 10 Takeaways Ehrhoff 2 Goals 12 Assists -3 17 Hits 32 Blocked Shots 28 Missed Shots 26 Giveaways 8 Takeaways Bieksa has more hits, more blocked shots, less missed shots, less giveaways, more takeaways and a better plus minus Ehrhoff has two more assists. Canucklelion, whats your excuse now? He is no longer injured like he was in the playoffs. Did Gillis really choose the wrong one out of the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Sampy stop.....it's a massacre!! Show some mercy....lol. Nah....keep it up....it's freaking hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypien37 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Ehrhoff VS Bieksa assessment after 26 Games played by each Bieksa 2 Goals 10 Assists -2 44 Hits 39 Blocked Shots 22 Missed Shots 17 Giveaways 10 Takeaways Ehrhoff 2 Goals 12 Assists -3 17 Hits 32 Blocked Shots 28 Missed Shots 26 Giveaways 8 Takeaways Bieksa has more hits, more blocked shots, less missed shots, less giveaways, more takeaways and a better plus minus Ehrhoff has two more assists. Canucklelion, whats your excuse now? He is no longer injured like he was in the playoffs. Did Gillis really choose the wrong one out of the two? LOL There is no way that is an accurate stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sameer666 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 LOL There is no way that is an accurate stat. Unless you can provide another stat which shows otherwise, or refute why it's not accurate(again, not with an opinion), we have to accept it. Your opinion is not a stat or usable in logical argument, sorry. The source is NHL.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WL Canuck Fan Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Unless you can provide another stat which shows otherwise, or refute why it's not accurate(again, not with an opinion), we have to accept it. Your opinion is not a stat or usable in logical argument, sorry. The source is NHL.com Its accurate http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?season=20112012&gameType=2&team=VAN&position=S&country=&status=&viewName=summary#?navid=nav-sts-indiv http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?season=20112012&gameType=2&team=BUF&position=S&country=&status=&viewName=summary#?navid=nav-sts-indiv Just click the links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Sampy stop.....it's a massacre!! Show some mercy....lol. Nah....keep it up....it's freaking hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sameer666 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Keep ducking the stats and logic used in the thread and covering it with your opinion. Nothing wrong with hating on Bieksa, use stats to prove your point at least. Like the one I posted above comparing Ehrhoff and Bieksa. Can you LOGICALLY with STATS rebut what i posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectacular Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Keep ducking the stats and logic used in the thread and covering it with your opinion. Nothing wrong with hating on Bieksa, use stats to prove your point at least. Like the one I posted above comparing Ehrhoff and Bieksa. Can you LOGICALLY with STATS rebut what i posted? An argument can be used where Buffalo doesn't have the same system as Vancouver and Ehrhoff still hasn't perfectly adjusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sameer666 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 An argument can be used where Buffalo doesn't have the same system as Vancouver and Ehrhoff still hasn't perfectly adjusted. That is fair. But at the same time, these stats are also in congruence with the playoff stats from last year while he was a Canuck. Bieksa also had a better plus/minus, less missed shots, less giveaways and more takeaways in the regular season last year. So only Ehrhoff's offensive stats are excusably worse this year, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 LOL There is no way that is an accurate stat. Actually, despite what Canucklelion likes to claim, Ehrhoff led the D in giveaways the last two seasons while Bieksa led the D in takeaways. A real head scratcher isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Unless you can provide another stat which shows otherwise, or refute why it's not accurate(again, not with an opinion), we have to accept it. Your opinion is not a stat or usable in logical argument, sorry. The source is NHL.com Statisticians don't take into account the quality of chances that arise from these turnovers. Ehrhoff could "giveaway" the puck by attempting a pass from the offensive blueline that ends up on a forwards stick who simply dumps the puck out. This same "giveaway" could be Bieksa trying a stretch pass which gets picked off and leads to a breakaway against our goalie. The stats are very misleading, Bieksa has been brutal for us defensively in the early goings of the season but I haven't watched enough Sabre hockey to comment on Ehrhoff's play. I could imagine many of these turnovers leading to high quality chances, but surely he hasn't has as many brain-farts as Bieksa has earlier on in the season. Only recently has Bieksa really started to start playing well defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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