Two teenage boys used texting, online chats to plot brutal assault, murder of Kimberly Proctor

[pimpcurtly]

I fear that this will be another situation of the Canadian justice system failing its citizens and that poor girl Kimberly. Even if they are charged as adults....a possibility of parole in 10 years is disturbing(I know that doesn't necissarily mean they will be granted it). And if they are not tried as adults........I just can't even think about that. Their names won't be released and in 10 years they will have their lives back. Thatt just makes me sick to my stomach.

This is one of those times when the death penalty is way too good for these monsters, IMO. They need to be put away for the rest of their lives and FORCED to do hard HARD labour 16 hours a day until the day they die. And I certainly wouldnt object to them having foreign objects stuck in some of their body cavities while they do their work.

This whole case has sickened me from day one and hit my girlfriend really hard as she has cousins in Colwood that live just blocks from where her body was found. It really is shocking the evil that is out there.

[RUPERTKBD]

Way to pull a theory out of absolutely nowhere. For all we know these kids were avid readers and didn't own a video game.

And porn? Really? I watched a ton of porn as a teen and I never wanted to rape, murder, and mutilate a person and then set their remains on fire. Not even once.

[luineul]

Ummmm.... the story says that the mother one of the kids bought him a video game and took him to lunch.

Not necessarily. They're only eligible to apply for parole after 25 years. That doesn't mean it will be granted.

In fact, judging by the details of this crime, I'd consider it unlikely.

[RUPERTKBD]

The thing is, they're leaving prison eventually (unless if they get killed or something), and that's the part that scares me. After all that time, they're probably going to be hardened criminals, and if they don't show remorse now (despite all the consequences laid in front of them), who knows how they'll feel when half of their life has been spent in prison?

[F-View]

Disgusting...absolutely disgusting. Their names should be released publicly.

[Sharpshooter]

Who says they'll be leaving prison eventually?

[stawns]

I fear that this will be another situation of the Canadian justice system failing its citizens and that poor girl Kimberly. Even if they are charged as adults....a possibility of parole in 10 years is disturbing(I know that doesn't necissarily mean they will be granted it). And if they are not tried as adults........I just can't even think about that. Their names won't be released and in 10 years they will have their lives back. Thatt just makes me sick to my stomach.

This is one of those times when the death penalty is way too good for these monsters, IMO. They need to be put away for the rest of their lives and FORCED to do hard HARD labour 16 hours a day until the day they die. And I certainly wouldnt object to them having foreign objects stuck in some of their body cavities while they do their work.

This whole case has sickened me from day one and hit my girlfriend really hard as she has cousins in Colwood that live just blocks from where her body was found. It really is shocking the evil that is out there.

[Common sense]

did you even read any of Wet's posts? If they are sentenced as adults, they will not even be eligible for parole for 25 years, at the earliest, and I would think it unlikely that they would be paroled on the first chance

[pimpcurtly]

did you even read any of Wet's posts? If they are sentenced as adults, they will not even be eligible for parole for 25 years, at the earliest, and I would think it unlikely that they would be paroled on the first chance

[Perfect From Now On]

Even the cameras in Britain haven't shown to be tremendously affective in detering crime. But that's up for debate. However, there are stats that you can google from England to see the crime rate before and after cameras, in certain areas.

[MrsCanuck]

That was one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard of in my life.

RIP.

I hope those losers pay for their disgusting crime.

[Sharpshooter]

I believe there's been a reduction in non-violent crimes such as theft and vandalism, but little to no reduction in violent offences. If you ask me it's not worth sacrificing our privacy by putting up cameras everywhere, then we have to deal with issues like who watches the watchers.

I agree with your earlier point that it's impossible to eliminate crimes of this nature, I do believe however that they could be severely reduced if society focused on eliminating poverty and providing a high standard of living for everyone. Of course this will never happen in our money driven capitalist world.

[Wetcoaster]

Fair enough, but how else are we going to deter criminals from murdering innocent people..?

[Sharpshooter]

You sentence them to life imprisonment. It works.

Twenty Years of Abolition: the Canadian Experience

Contrary to predictions by death penalty supporters, the homicide rate in Canada did not increase after abolition in 1976. In fact, the Canadian murder rate declined slightly the following year (from 2.8 per 100,000 to 2.7). Over the next 20 years the homicide rate fluctuated (between 2.2 and 2.8 per 100,000), but the general trend was clearly downwards. It reached a 30-year low in 1995 (1.98) -- the fourth consecutive year-to-year decrease and a full one-third lower than in the year before abolition. In 1998, the homicide rate dipped below 1.9 per 100,000, the lowest rate since the 1960s.

The overall conviction rate for first-degree murder doubled in the decade following abolition (from under 10% to approximately 20%), suggesting that Canadian juries are more willing to convict for murder now that they are not compelled to make life-and-death decisions.

http://www.amnesty.c...alty/canada.php

[Wetcoaster]

Given the sorry state of our justice system, that'll probably happen.

[Wetcoaster]

The removal of capital punishment doesn't show that murders lessened as a result though. I think that was the main point of his question. Life imprisonment doesn't have a corellary effect on deterrence or prevention on those who commit acts of murder.

Sentencing guidelines don't seem to have a reductive affect on crime...at least not that I've seen with 1st degree murder. At least not a cause and effect as you seem to be suggesting.

[Sharpshooter]

Actually the murder rate has been trending downwards according to the latest figures I can find from 2007:

The removal of capital punishment from the Canadian Criminal Code in 1976 has not led to an increase in the murder rate in Canada. In fact, Statistics Canada reports that the murder rate has generally been declining since the mid-1970s. In 2006, the national murder rate in Canada was 1.85 homicides per 100,000 population, compared to the mid-1970s when it was around 3.0.

The total number of murders in Canada in 2006 was 605, 58 fewer than in 2005.

http://canadaonline....itioncappun.htm

[T-rex930]

i hope these guys get sentenced as adults but they should receive the treatment that they require.

[Trade Deadline]

Couldn't read the whole thing, absolutely disgusting.

[Wetcoaster]

I concede to the factuality of those stats, however, what i'm suggesting is that the decline of the murder rate is not directly connected to the sentencing of offenders to a life term for varying degrees of murder.

The answer you gave earlier, to another poster, suggested that murder could be prevented by imposing life imprisonment. I don't see the connection between that sentence and its affective deterrence or preventative qualities, when it comes to people who will continue to murder others.