[Report(s)] Zach Parise Discussion thread

[Crowfro]

Well if he hadn't missed those 10 games he would be on pace for around 20 goals. And don't forgot he's been playing with an injured finger.

Raymond has always been a streaky scorer, so it's not out of the question that he reaches 20 goals this season. I would say if he does that with 10 games missed, that's pretty proven.

[Ryan Strome]

Off-season deal:

To New Jersey:

Cory Schneider

Keith Ballard

Mason Raymond

Jordan Schroeder

1st round pick

Salary: $7.65M

To Vancouver:

Zach Parise

David Clarkson

3rd round pick

Salary: $2.667M + RFA (5-7M)

Why New Jersey does this? They are in clear rebuild/retool mode. That team right now is in a mess, and on top of it there are rumours that Parise wants nothing to do with a return to New Jersey. Martin Brodeur is at the end of his career, and looking at the system there is no heir apparent. Schneider is just the guy they can build their team around. He's proven he can play well and win at this level, he's young and will only continue to get better. The Devils also have a gaping hole on their defense since the loss of Paul Martin and the acquisition of Keith Ballard who, when healthy, is a similar player would help immensely. Ballard is signed long-term and is a very valuable player, just hasn't really gotten into a groove here in Vancouver. He's been riddled by injuries, but just hasn't really found chemistry with his linemates. Raymond isn't going to step in and replace what's lost by giving up Parise, but he provides stability on their second line, while Jordan Schroeder and that first round pick offer up pieces to build around for the future.

Why Vancouver does this? The deal takes a bit of a hit to our blueline, although with the recent renaissance of Kevin Bieksa we may elect to keep him in the offseason anyways and that would make Keith Ballard expendable (Bieksa could be moved in place of Ballard, but I'm assuming NJD would prefer to have the guy who's locked up as opposed to the potential UFA). In turn, the Canucks get an elite winger who's game is elite at both ends of the ice. He plays a speed game and should have instant chemistry with Ryan Kesler. Our second line now becomes more of a 1B line that supports the twins, and gives us a huge two-headed monster of an offense. Parise replaces Raymond, and we don't miss a beat there at all. The loss of Schneider is necessary as he will eventually be dealt. There's no way Schneider gets re-signed here at $2.5M+ to backup Luongo after his current contract is up. The loss of the first round pick and Jordan Schroeder hurts our prospect group, but we still have some good young prospects potentially coming up in Cody Hodgson, Sergei Shirokov, Billy Sweatt and Anton Rodin, that we can afford to move a guy like Schroeder in a deal like this. The Canucks also get back a tough guy who can potentially score 20 goals in David Clarkson. He was looking like a gem up until his injury last season and really hasn't gotten back on track at all going into this season. He's a contract New Jersey is supposedly looking to move, and a change of scenery could do him good. He would provide us bottom 6 depth with a bit of a scoring touch, as well as a lot of grit and nastyness.

Potential lineup after the deal, going into next season:

Sedin (6.1) - Sedin (6.1) - Burrows (2)

Parise (5)* - Kesler (5) - Tambellini (1)*

Samuelsson (2.5) - Malhotra (2.5) - Clarkson (2.667)

Volpatti (0.6) - Bolduc (0.6) - Hansen (1)*

Desbiens (0.6)

Offense: $35.667M

Ehrhoff (4.5)* - Edler (3.25)

Bieksa (3.75)* - Hamhuis (4.5)

Parent (0.925) - Alberts (1.5)*

Rome (0.725)

Defense: $19.15M

Luongo (5.33)

Lack (0.7)

Team: $60.847M

Assumed cap of $61.4M which is the minimum assumed cap hit based on the assumed $2M minimal increase as per: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=344107

Essentially, a trade for Parise isn't entirely out of the question, and I believe we do have the pieces to make a deal between Vancouver and New Jersey work.

It's do-able. It's a little tight, but do-able.

[Nuckinstoon]

Yeah, he is going to be getting in the 7's in the RFA. I just highly doubt we could get him + keep him for next season, so we best be looking elsewhere for a goal scorer.

[whynot]

I dont know if Parise gets 7 unless he makes a pretty strong showing when he returns to the lineup.

It's just too risky. Lots of players never really come back after a big knee injury.

I could see him settling somewhere around 6 million on a competitive team.

Of course if he does go to RFA and gets offer sheets, anything can happen.

[Ilya Mikheyev]

Why do some people treat our players and prospects as if their garbage?

Why would you want to give up that much for Parise? Yea yea, he's a 40 goal scorer, so what? We have two likely ones our team this year.

You're gonna give up a 25 goal scorer, a top 4 defenceman, a future starting goaltender, and a good pick and prospect to get him?

Goal scoring is not even an issue for us. If we were going to offer up that package, we would be much better off offering it to Nashville for Weber.

[michael_kha]

Yeah, he is going to be getting in the 7's in the RFA. I just highly doubt we could get him + keep him for next season, so we best be looking elsewhere for a goal scorer.

[Plaguez]

Off-season deal:

To New Jersey:

Cory Schneider

Keith Ballard

Mason Raymond

Jordan Schroeder

1st round pick

Salary: $7.65M

To Vancouver:

Zach Parise

David Clarkson

3rd round pick

Salary: $2.667M + RFA (5-7M)

Why New Jersey does this? They are in clear rebuild/retool mode. That team right now is in a mess, and on top of it there are rumours that Parise wants nothing to do with a return to New Jersey. Martin Brodeur is at the end of his career, and looking at the system there is no heir apparent. Schneider is just the guy they can build their team around. He's proven he can play well and win at this level, he's young and will only continue to get better. The Devils also have a gaping hole on their defense since the loss of Paul Martin and the acquisition of Keith Ballard who, when healthy, is a similar player would help immensely. Ballard is signed long-term and is a very valuable player, just hasn't really gotten into a groove here in Vancouver. He's been riddled by injuries, but just hasn't really found chemistry with his linemates. Raymond isn't going to step in and replace what's lost by giving up Parise, but he provides stability on their second line, while Jordan Schroeder and that first round pick offer up pieces to build around for the future.

Why Vancouver does this? The deal takes a bit of a hit to our blueline, although with the recent renaissance of Kevin Bieksa we may elect to keep him in the offseason anyways and that would make Keith Ballard expendable (Bieksa could be moved in place of Ballard, but I'm assuming NJD would prefer to have the guy who's locked up as opposed to the potential UFA). In turn, the Canucks get an elite winger who's game is elite at both ends of the ice. He plays a speed game and should have instant chemistry with Ryan Kesler. Our second line now becomes more of a 1B line that supports the twins, and gives us a huge two-headed monster of an offense. Parise replaces Raymond, and we don't miss a beat there at all. The loss of Schneider is necessary as he will eventually be dealt. There's no way Schneider gets re-signed here at $2.5M+ to backup Luongo after his current contract is up. The loss of the first round pick and Jordan Schroeder hurts our prospect group, but we still have some good young prospects potentially coming up in Cody Hodgson, Sergei Shirokov, Billy Sweatt and Anton Rodin, that we can afford to move a guy like Schroeder in a deal like this. The Canucks also get back a tough guy who can potentially score 20 goals in David Clarkson. He was looking like a gem up until his injury last season and really hasn't gotten back on track at all going into this season. He's a contract New Jersey is supposedly looking to move, and a change of scenery could do him good. He would provide us bottom 6 depth with a bit of a scoring touch, as well as a lot of grit and nastyness.

Potential lineup after the deal, going into next season:

Sedin (6.1) - Sedin (6.1) - Burrows (2)

Parise (5)* - Kesler (5) - Tambellini (1)*

Samuelsson (2.5) - Malhotra (2.5) - Clarkson (2.667)

Volpatti (0.6) - Bolduc (0.6) - Hansen (1)*

Desbiens (0.6)

Offense: $35.667M

Ehrhoff (4.5)* - Edler (3.25)

Bieksa (3.75)* - Hamhuis (4.5)

Parent (0.925) - Alberts (1.5)*

Rome (0.725)

Defense: $19.15M

Luongo (5.33)

Lack (0.7)

Team: $60.847M

Assumed cap of $61.4M which is the minimum assumed cap hit based on the assumed $2M minimal increase as per: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=344107

Essentially, a trade for Parise isn't entirely out of the question, and I believe we do have the pieces to make a deal between Vancouver and New Jersey work.

It's do-able. It's a little tight, but do-able.

[y2kcanucks]

LOL. Yep. Great. Now picture this. You trade the recently signed Ballard away. Bieksa, after his resurrected year gets an offer from a defensively starved team call Montreal, somewhere in the 4-5m/year range. He signs. Ehrhoff is offered a ludicris 6m/year from Edmonton, feeling they need a solid 2 way d-man who can be the base for their new d-corp. The Canucks now have a core d-group of:

Edler, Hamhuis, Rome, Alberts.

Awesome. Meanwhile, the newly aquired Parise signs an offer sheet of 7m/year. Without a full defensive group intact the Canucks are forced to walk from the deal, aquiring picks. The new deal effectively becomes:

Ballard, Schneider, Schroeder, Raymond and a 1st for

David Clarkson, 3rd round pick, two first rounders and a 2nd rounder.

Awesome deal. We should just offer New Jersey that instead..seems like a good plan to me.

[Ilya Mikheyev]

A few recent Parise mumblings:

But new names have come out, including more news about Zach Parise of New Jersey and a possible move for Calgary's Robyn Regehr.

[Coconuts]

If he doesn't wind up with the Canucks, I'd prefer for him to stay out East. I'd hate to have him in our division.

[D-Money]

If Parise is going to get moved, Boston may be the team to make it happen.

Wheeler + Colborne + TO's 1st

[crazyforhockey]

Question for the fans that are willing to pay alot for him(great player,dynamic,)

say we over pay and get him.........he plays this year in the playoffs(maybe healthy or say 68% health)....and his contract for 1 yr causes us to have a shortnened bench for next season...ie alot of nonames .500 contracts to fill in roster....and then he leaves and signs a big contract eleswhere the following year?......is it worth it??

because there is no guarntee he resigns more than 1 year and stays beyond that

[Rhinogator]

parise or weber. Hmmmmmmmmm

[Ilya Mikheyev]

Question for the fans that are willing to pay alot for him(great player,dynamic,)

say we over pay and get him.........he plays this year in the playoffs(maybe healthy or say 68% health)....and his contract for 1 yr causes us to have a shortnened bench for next season...ie alot of nonames .500 contracts to fill in roster....and then he leaves and signs a big contract eleswhere the following year?......is it worth it??

because there is no guarntee he resigns more than 1 year and stays beyond that

[bleednucksblue]

He's not just a 40 goal scorer. He produced huge offensively under a defense-first system, and he also possesses one of the strongest 2-way games in the entire NHL.

He has put up respectable numbers in the playoffs. He has leadership capabilities (Langenbrunner has said Parise should be named the next Devils' captain). Also, he's still young.

If you actually think that WE ARE the ones getting a bad deal, you probably haven't seen Parise play much. Would you give up Kesler for a package like that? I wouldn't, and if anything Parise is a worth a bit more.

Goal scoring isn't the only thing Parise would bring. But to say, "he's a 40 goal scorer, so what?". Well, we didn't have ANY last year and Parise was 9th in the league in goals. Only 7 players put up 40.

And for the record, if Raymond is a 25 goal scorer, because he did it once, then Parise is actually a 45 goal scorer.

[CHIPS]

parise or weber. Hmmmmmmmmm

[SergioMomesso]

The Devils would probably want Hodgson and Schneider and a pick atleast. Tha would be too much imo. parise will want about 7 ,million a year and we wont be able too afford it with Ehrhoff and Bieksa's contracts expiring this summer.

[FeStealth]

I'm thinking, maybe the Canucks should be like an internal players max salary, kinda like in Detroit. For the Red Wings, nobody can earn more than Lidstrom, the captain, the MVP, the Norris winner, etc.

Canucks should have it that nobody can earn more than the Sedins at 6.1 million. Maybe Vancouver can get Zach Parise at like 6 million/year?

[Intoewsables]

If Parise is going to get moved, Boston may be the team to make it happen.

Wheeler + Colborne + TO's 1st

[Ilya Mikheyev]

Parise is a great player but he's not worth more than Kesler; Not this year's version of Ryan Kesler.

Parise is a better natural goal scorer but he plays a much less important position (centers are significantly more vital) and he's not the top tier penalty killer Kes is.

Parise is worth a ton no doubt although the Canucks, because of the presence of Schneider, matchup better than maybe anyone in the league (I'll argue all day against the LA deal being better) but with Kesler playing at an MVP level their value is pretty much the same.