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You know, I get that Perry is a pretty darn good player.

But do the Canucks really need him? Especially given what we'd have to give up to get him? If we're dealing a lot of quality players, I'd rather kick it up a notch and make a serious push for Shea Weber. Unlikely, but hey, if we're moving quality, aim high and address a real need. I don't think a top 6 forward is a need for the Canucks really.

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I agree especially if Hodgson is in the equation to be honest. Perry's game is built for the playoffs to a certain degree though and if we could get him without giving up Hodgson I would say the Canucks should consider it. It really depends on whose going the other way too because a top 6 forward would very likely have to be going back.

If we could get Weber without gutting the team, then it would be worth it to try. But his cap hit is monstrous and if I was the Canucks I would want to know how a long term deal for him would look before I ever traded for him.

Right. But which top 6 forward goes?

Daniel Sedin - no

Henrik Sedin - no

Ryan Kesler - no

That's three down.

Alex Burrows - trading the perfect linemate for the Sedins? I don't see it. Besides, his cap hit, especially for a guy on the top line, is a freaking steal. Also, while Burr is a top line guy on the Canucks because of the fit with the Sedins, he's far more valuable to us than he would be to the Ducks.

David Booth - we just traded to get this guy, and he's a quality player. I don't see us moving him. To me, acquiring Booth means that we really don't need Corey Perry.

Chris Higgins - again, likely more valuable to the Canucks than he would be to the Ducks. We'd have to move a lot more in the package, and then you have to wonder how much is too much. Higgins brings the kind of game you love to have from your players in the playoffs. Moving him, in my opinion, is a mistake. Even for Corey Perry.

Mason Raymond - some argue he's not a top 6 player. I disagree, I think he's capable of being a top 6 player and I think his best days are yet to come. But would the Ducks? As with Higgins, we'd have to sweeten the pot a lot more to get legs under this one, and then you have to wonder at what point are we overpaying.

Cody Hodgson - I agree with you WSA, that Hodgson really should not be going anywhere. He's been one of the best Canucks over the last while, and it's nice to have a viable option in the shootout for a change. He's finally starting to show the development we were all waiting for, and giving the Canucks a third line scoring threat. A player like that to a Cup contending team is invaluable. Stuck behind Henrik and Kesler at the center ice role at the moment, but we can worry about that after the playoff push. Moving Hodgson pushes Malhotra or Lapierre into the 3rd line center spot, and while both are capable, neither bring to that line anything close to the versatility that Hodgson does. He's too important to this team right now to move. But at the same time he's not yet ready to take over for Ryan Kesler at the 2nd line center role, which is why moving Kesler is a definite NO from me right now.

Now, as for getting Shea Weber, I think we can all agree that Keith Ballard needs a change of scenery. I don't think he's a great trading chip, but if we're after Weber, he has to be part of the deal, or at least go somewhere, in order to free up the cap. Depending on what Nashville needs, we can sacrifice a strong young player (they've shown interest in Raymond already) and Hodgson's emergence means Jordan Schroeder is expendable.

Ballard, Raymond, Schroeder for Weber. <- now you know why everyone's proposals involve Ballard and Raymond. Not because they're garbage, because they make the most sense from a Canucks standpoint, and Gillis has proven that he rarely wavers from his game plan if he still believes in it. Also, remember that Shea Weber is only a year away from UFA and doesn't have a long term contract.

Even given the contract status, it's likely not even near enough. But for a guy like Weber, you include another prospect (Kevin Connauton is looking pretty good), a 1st round pick or two, etc. If you're not gutting your core, those are moves we can make. When it looks closer to:

Keith Ballard

Mason Raymond

Jordan Schroeder

Kevin Connauton

VAN 2012 1st Round Pick

VAN 2013 1st Round Pick

for

Shea Weber

... it starts to look a little more realistic from a Predators standpoint. They gain a player capable of playing in Barry Trotz' system, as Raymond is an excellent PKer and backchecker, who still has big upside. They also add a strong prospect defenceman, and a blue chip prospect at forward who is close to NHL ready. They also get a decent defenceman in Keith Ballard who can join the rush and create a little bit, and the Preds have the roster to compensate for any warts in Ballards defensive game. They also gain the cap flexibility to retain Ryan Suter, the more pressing contractual need for Nashville right now as he is a UFA, and Pekka Rinne's contract becomes easier to fit in to their team imposed budget.

As for a long term deal for Weber, safe to say that $7 million is likely the floor on that one. So lets figure a long term extension ends up costing say, $7.25 million per season. This is hoping Shea takes a small discount to sign in Vancouver where he has a real chance at a Stanley Cup. Can the Canucks afford that for the 2012-13 season onward? Let's calculate that, factoring the re-signing of some of our 4th line players or depth defencemen at marginal raises for 2012-13.

D.Sedin (6.1) - H.Sedin (6.1) - Burrows (2.0)

Booth (4.25) - Kesler (5.0) - Higgins (1.9)

????? (?.?) - Hodgson (1.667) - Hansen (1.35)

Malhotra (2.5) - Lapierre (1.0) - Weise (0.65)

Volpatti (0.65)

Weber (7.25) - Edler (3.25)

Bieksa (4.6) - Hamhuis (4.5)

Tanev (0.9) - Rome (0.7)

Alberts (1.225)

Luongo (5.333)

?????? (0.9)

Total cap: $61.825 million. Leaving, if the cap remains where it is, around $1.5 million for the Canucks to sign a strong winger for the 3rd line next summer, and I believe the cap will likely go up again anyways, giving us more space.

Definitely tight, and we'd likely move a few players around in the summer to create cap room. But not at all out of the realm of possibility.

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Right. But which top 6 forward goes?

Daniel Sedin - no

Henrik Sedin - no

Ryan Kesler - no

That's three down.

Alex Burrows - trading the perfect linemate for the Sedins? I don't see it. Besides, his cap hit, especially for a guy on the top line, is a freaking steal. Also, while Burr is a top line guy on the Canucks because of the fit with the Sedins, he's far more valuable to us than he would be to the Ducks.

David Booth - we just traded to get this guy, and he's a quality player. I don't see us moving him. To me, acquiring Booth means that we really don't need Corey Perry.

Chris Higgins - again, likely more valuable to the Canucks than he would be to the Ducks. We'd have to move a lot more in the package, and then you have to wonder how much is too much. Higgins brings the kind of game you love to have from your players in the playoffs. Moving him, in my opinion, is a mistake. Even for Corey Perry.

Mason Raymond - some argue he's not a top 6 player. I disagree, I think he's capable of being a top 6 player and I think his best days are yet to come. But would the Ducks? As with Higgins, we'd have to sweeten the pot a lot more to get legs under this one, and then you have to wonder at what point are we overpaying.

Cody Hodgson - I agree with you WSA, that Hodgson really should not be going anywhere. He's been one of the best Canucks over the last while, and it's nice to have a viable option in the shootout for a change. He's finally starting to show the development we were all waiting for, and giving the Canucks a third line scoring threat. A player like that to a Cup contending team is invaluable. Stuck behind Henrik and Kesler at the center ice role at the moment, but we can worry about that after the playoff push. Moving Hodgson pushes Malhotra or Lapierre into the 3rd line center spot, and while both are capable, neither bring to that line anything close to the versatility that Hodgson does. He's too important to this team right now to move. But at the same time he's not yet ready to take over for Ryan Kesler at the 2nd line center role, which is why moving Kesler is a definite NO from me right now.

Now, as for getting Shea Weber, I think we can all agree that Keith Ballard needs a change of scenery. I don't think he's a great trading chip, but if we're after Weber, he has to be part of the deal, or at least go somewhere, in order to free up the cap. Depending on what Nashville needs, we can sacrifice a strong young player (they've shown interest in Raymond already) and Hodgson's emergence means Jordan Schroeder is expendable.

Ballard, Raymond, Schroeder for Weber. <- now you know why everyone's proposals involve Ballard and Raymond. Not because they're garbage, because they make the most sense from a Canucks standpoint, and Gillis has proven that he rarely wavers from his game plan if he still believes in it. Also, remember that Shea Weber is only a year away from UFA and doesn't have a long term contract.

Even given the contract status, it's likely not even near enough. But for a guy like Weber, you include another prospect (Kevin Connauton is looking pretty good), a 1st round pick or two, etc. If you're not gutting your core, those are moves we can make. When it looks closer to:

Keith Ballard

Mason Raymond

Jordan Schroeder

Kevin Connauton

VAN 2012 1st Round Pick

VAN 2013 1st Round Pick

for

Shea Weber

... it starts to look a little more realistic from a Predators standpoint. They gain a player capable of playing in Barry Trotz' system, as Raymond is an excellent PKer and backchecker, who still has big upside. They also add a strong prospect defenceman, and a blue chip prospect at forward who is close to NHL ready. They also get a decent defenceman in Keith Ballard who can join the rush and create a little bit, and the Preds have the roster to compensate for any warts in Ballards defensive game. They also gain the cap flexibility to retain Ryan Suter, the more pressing contractual need for Nashville right now as he is a UFA, and Pekka Rinne's contract becomes easier to fit in to their team imposed budget.

As for a long term deal for Weber, safe to say that $7 million is likely the floor on that one. So lets figure a long term extension ends up costing say, $7.25 million per season. This is hoping Shea takes a small discount to sign in Vancouver where he has a real chance at a Stanley Cup. Can the Canucks afford that for the 2012-13 season onward? Let's calculate that, factoring the re-signing of some of our 4th line players or depth defencemen at marginal raises for 2012-13.

D.Sedin (6.1) - H.Sedin (6.1) - Burrows (2.0)

Booth (4.25) - Kesler (5.0) - Higgins (1.9)

????? (?.?) - Hodgson (1.667) - Hansen (1.35)

Malhotra (2.5) - Lapierre (1.0) - Weise (0.65)

Volpatti (0.65)

Weber (7.25) - Edler (3.25)

Bieksa (4.6) - Hamhuis (4.5)

Tanev (0.9) - Rome (0.7)

Alberts (1.225)

Luongo (5.333)

?????? (0.9)

Total cap: $61.825 million. Leaving, if the cap remains where it is, around $1.5 million for the Canucks to sign a strong winger for the 3rd line next summer, and I believe the cap will likely go up again anyways, giving us more space.

Definitely tight, and we'd likely move a few players around in the summer to create cap room. But not at all out of the realm of possibility.

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Theres this god awful Botchford rumour that comes from Patrice Brisebois that the Ducks are considering a Schneider + Ballard + Raymond deal.

I don't understand them going for Schneider unless they're giving up on Hiller altogether...in which case, where does he go? Didn't they just re-sign him to an extension? Wasnt long ago he was being talked about as one of the top guys in the league.

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I don't understand them going for Schneider unless they're giving up on Hiller altogether...in which case, where does he go? Didn't they just re-sign him to an extension? Wasnt long ago he was being talked about as one of the top guys in the league.

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Signed Players

Mark Scheifele(OHL) GP 29 G 17 A 26 PTS 43 +9

Jordan Weal(WHL) GP 50 G 30 A 53 PTS 83 +28

Rostislav Olesz(AHL) GP 25 G 10 A 15 PTS 25 +10

Drayson Bowman(AHL) GP 34 G 11 A 11 PTS 22 +3

Casey Wellman(AHL) GP 25 G 13 A 11 PTS 24 -2

Michal Repik(AHL) GP 26 G 5 A 13 PTS 18 +2

Aaron Palushaj(AHL) GP 29 G 13 A 15 PTS 28 +2

Mitch Wahl(AHL) GP 22 G 2 A 3 PTS 5 +1

" "(ECHL) GP 8 G 7 A 2 PTS 9 +4

Zack Stortini(AHL) GP 40 G 6 A 5 PTS 10 +0

Scott Timmins(AHL) GP 38 G 7 A 10 PTS 17 +6

Cody Bass(AHL) GP 12 G 2 A 5 PTS 7 +0

Johan Larsson(SEL) GP 36 G 8 A 18 PTS 26 -8

Darren Archibald(AHL) GP 18 G 1 A 0 PTS 1 -2

" "(ECHL) GP 22 G 5 A 13 PTS 18 +3

Aaron Ness(AHL)GP 44 G 2 A 15 PTS 17 +5

Connor Murphy(OHL) GP 15 G 3 A 6 PTS 9 -3

Blake Kessel(AHL) GP 38 G 1 A 12 PTS 13 +2

Mark Borowiecki(AHL) GP 43 G 3 A 13 PTS 16 +4

Phillip Grubauer(ECHL) GP 27 W 16 L 8 OT/SO 2 GAA 2,12 SV% 0.923 SO 1

Dennis Endras(Sim Liiga) GP 17 W 10 L 6 OT/SO 1 GAA 2,18 SV% 0.926 SO 3

" "(AHL) GP 6 W 3 L 2 OT/SO 1 GAA 2,46 SV% 0,913 SO 0

Ben Scrivens(AHL) GP 20 W 10 L 9 OT/SO 1 GAA 2,31 SV% 0,913 SO 1

Unsigned Draft Picks

Stefan Noesen(OHL) GP 43 G 20 A 35 PTS 55 +14

Nathan Beaulieu(QMJHL) GP 36 G 8 A 22 PTS 30 +24

Brett Ritchie(OHL) GP 33 G 11 A 12 PTS 23 +7

Joey Laleggia(WCHA) GP 26 G 10 A 19 PTS 29 +0

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