Juiced3 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Not sure if someone has brought this up in the past, but with the new alignment agreed upon by the NHLBG, I think this would be a perfect time to eliminate a team getting a point for losing in OT. Rewarding a team for losing a game in OT with 1 point just does not make sense to me. Back when Ties were involved, I could understand a team getting a point as they did not win nor did they lose. I reorganized the playoff match-ups based on removing the the 1 point for a OT loss. Every team that made the playoffs under the current format still made the playoffs, but seeds were different. Actual Matchups: Eastern 1. Washington vs. 8. New York Rangers 2. Philadelphia Flyers vs. 7. Buffalo Sabres 3. Boston Bruins vs. 6. Montreal Canadiens 5. Pittsburgh Penguins vs. 5. Tampa Bay Lightning Western 1. Vancouver Canucks vs. 8. Chicago Blackhawks 2. San Jose Sharks vs. 7. Los Angeles Kings 3. Detroit Red Wings vs. 6. Phoenix Coyotes 4. Anaheim Ducks vs. 5. Nashville Predators Altered Matchups: Eastern 1. Pittsburgh Penguins vs. 8. Buffalo Sabres 2. Washington Capitals vs. 7. Montreal Canadiens 3. Boston Bruins vs. 6. New York Rangers 4. Philadelphia Flyers vs. 5. Tampa Bay Lightning Western 1. Vancouver Canucks vs. 8. Phoenix Coyotes 2. San Jose Sharks vs. 7. Chicago Blackhawks 3. Detroit Red Wings vs. 6. Nashville Predators 4. Anaheim Ducks vs. 5. Los Angeles Kings I am just curious if I am in the majority or minority that feel this way towards the current points system and if it should be changed when the league is re-alligned. I have an excel if anyone is interested in looking at the points and how they changed. http://www.box.com/s...nh9u6tgfr970621 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 What I would prefer is that every game be worth the same amount of points. Give 3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for an OT or SO win. 1 point for an OT or SO loss. The way it is right now it makes no sense that some games are worth 3 points and some are worth 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacdeesSnipinGs Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 If i had to change the system, I like two other options better myself. 1. Bring Back the tie! but instead of having a shootout you have the normal 4 on 4 for five minutes and another 3 on 3 overtime period, where with that much open ice the majority of games would be settled, more exciting for fans, and teams not getting into playoffs because good at the skills competition aka shootout. Point system stays the same as today. Just in some games both teams get 1 point for the tie. Watching teams play for the free point in 4 on 4 and 3 on 3 would lead to some pretty amazing hockey! 2. Leave the system the exact same except for 3 points are handed out every game, 3 for a regulation win, 2 for an overtime win and 1 for an overtime loss, this is a much more fair system and accurately repersents the overall strength of your team. However I got to say though i dont mind the system the way that it is. The fact that the teams in the east and west are soo bunched up is good for the NHL. With so many hockey markets needing to follow a winner or team in contention, the current system has 13 teams or so in both conferences in playoff contention late into the season. I would say leave the system the way that it is. OT loss= parody= more teams in contention= good for hockey IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiced3 Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 What I would prefer is that every game be worth the same amount of points. Give 3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for an OT or SO win. 1 point for an OT or SO loss. The way it is right now it makes no sense that some games are worth 3 points and some are worth 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacdeesSnipinGs Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 By the way, your Poll is pretty funny. option 2. No, I like getting rewarded for loosing ( got to be one of the funniest and most biased question i have ever heard) so i voted for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiced3 Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 If i had to change the system, I like two other options better myself. 1. Bring Back the tie! but instead of having a shootout you have the normal 4 on 4 for five minutes and another 3 on 3 overtime period, where with that much open ice the majority of games would be settled, more exciting for fans, and teams not getting into playoffs because good at the skills competition aka shootout. Point system stays the same as today. Just in some games both teams get 1 point for the tie. Watching teams play for the free point in 4 on 4 and 3 on 3 would lead to some pretty amazing hockey! 2. Leave the system the exact same except for 3 points are handed out every game, 3 for a regulation win, 2 for an overtime win and 1 for an overtime loss, this is a much more fair system and accurately repersents the overall strength of your team. However I got to say though i dont mind the system the way that it is. The fact that the teams in the east and west are soo bunched up is good for the NHL. With so many hockey markets needing to follow a winner or team in contention, the current system has 13 teams or so in both conferences in playoff contention late into the season. I would say leave the system the way that it is. OT loss= parody= more teams in contention= good for hockey IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiced3 Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 By the way, your Poll is pretty funny. option 2. No, I like getting rewarded for loosing ( got to be one of the funniest and most biased question i have ever heard) so i voted for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Games are only worth 2 points, unless you mean a OT game gets one team 1 point and the other 2 points. A win is a win and feel it should be regarded the same no matter if the game is won in OT or Regulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiced3 Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 That's exactly what I mean. It makes no sense that only 2 points are handed out in a game that ends in regulation but 3 points are awarded in a game that goes to OT. If you are trying to gain ground in the standings and you are winning in regulation but your competitor keeps losing in OT you are only gaining by 1 point at a time. That has created false parity in the league. Hypothetically (although an extreme example), with today's point system you could have a team with 40 regulation wins and another team that loses every single game in OT or SO and the team with no wins would be ahead based on points. By making every game worth three points it would be the result that would determine how those 3 points are distributed. If you can win it in regulation, you get all three points. Your point that a win is a win is already incorrect in today's NHL. Even now, if at the end of the season two teams are tied for the same points the new first tie-breaker is how many wins came in regulation. We saw that earlier this year when the Blues were ahead of the Canucks in the standings despite fewer overall wins. Having 3 points for winning in regulation vs 2 points for winning in OT would encourage teams to play for that regulation win rather than coasting into OT or playing to get to the shootout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiced3 Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 How long have teams been given 2 points for a win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 How long have teams been given 2 points for a win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiced3 Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 I was just curious. I would like it to stay consistent for records reasons and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I was just curious. I would like it to stay consistent for records reasons and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiced3 Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 More or less thinking towards total points accumulated by a team. Understood that records will be broken and systems will change, just not a huge fan of 3 points for a win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiced3 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 This link has put in some time in calculating everything out. Standings A little different methodology behind the way the standings are calculated. Base it more on a win %. Thought it was interesting though, YTD 21.15% (or one-fifth) of games are 3 points games under the current format. This is more or less my viewpoint of how teams should be rewarded. Standings should be based on your team winning and not losing in OT. Every other sport has standings based on Win % and hockey is the complete opposite. A 3 point system would not change a whole lot as teams are still getting rewarded for losing, just not as much as the current system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordfish Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 If i had to change the system, I like two other options better myself. 1. Bring Back the tie! but instead of having a shootout you have the normal 4 on 4 for five minutes and another 3 on 3 overtime period, where with that much open ice the majority of games would be settled, more exciting for fans, and teams not getting into playoffs because good at the skills competition aka shootout. Point system stays the same as today. Just in some games both teams get 1 point for the tie. Watching teams play for the free point in 4 on 4 and 3 on 3 would lead to some pretty amazing hockey! 2. Leave the system the exact same except for 3 points are handed out every game, 3 for a regulation win, 2 for an overtime win and 1 for an overtime loss, this is a much more fair system and accurately repersents the overall strength of your team. However I got to say though i dont mind the system the way that it is. The fact that the teams in the east and west are soo bunched up is good for the NHL. With so many hockey markets needing to follow a winner or team in contention, the current system has 13 teams or so in both conferences in playoff contention late into the season. I would say leave the system the way that it is. OT loss= parody= more teams in contention= good for hockey IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiced3 Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 Just to follow up with the standings since we are halfway through the season for most/some of the teams. Here is how they stack up currently in the East (from NHL.com): 1. NY Rangers vs. 8. Washington Capitals 2. Boston Bruins vs. 7. Toronto Maple Leafs 3. Florida Panthers vs. 6. Pittsburgh Penguins 4. Philadelphia Flyers vs. 5. Ottawa Senators Here they are updated with no points being awarded for a OTL in the East: 1. Boston Bruins vs. 8. Toronto Maple Leafs 2. NY Rangers vs. 7. Ottawa Senators 3. Washington Capitals vs. 6. New Jersey Devils 4. Philadelphia Flyers vs. 5. Pittsburgh Penguins Here are the current for the West: 1. Detroit Red Wings vs. 8. Nashville Predators 2. Vancouver Canucks vs. 7. Colorado Avalanche 3. San Jose Sharks vs. 6. Dallas Stars 4. Chicago Blackhawks vs. 5. St. Louis Blues Here are the updated with no points being awarded for a OTL in the West: 1. Vancouver Canucks vs. 8. Nashville Predators 2. Chicago Blackhawks vs. 7. Los Angeles Kings 3. San Jose Sharks vs. 6. Minnesota Wild 4. Detroit Red Wings vs. 5. St. Louis Blues Some big changes in seeds and some teams that wouldn't have made it. Now given, some teams were tied (I used PTS% to break the ties), and other teams have some more games left to play than others, so there could still be changes, but thought it was interesting to look at how they could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyville88 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 What I would prefer is that every game be worth the same amount of points. Give 3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for an OT or SO win. 1 point for an OT or SO loss. The way it is right now it makes no sense that some games are worth 3 points and some are worth 2. Totally agree There is no way a regulation win and an OT or SO win should count for the same amount of points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiced3 Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share Posted April 8, 2012 Bringing it back up now that the standings are final for the season. This is based upon the idea of not getting a point for an OTL and still getting the standard 2 points for a WIN. Vancouver, NY Rangers and the Pittsburgh Penguins all would have finished with 102 points to lead the league. Altered West 1. Vancouver Canucks 8. Phoenix Coyotes 2. St. Louis Blues 7. Dallas Stars 3. San Jose Sharks 6. Chicago Blackhawks 4. Detroit Red Wings 5. Nashville Predators East 1. New York Rangers 8. Buffalo Sabres 2. Boston Bruins 7. Ottawa Senators 3. Washington Capitals 6. Philadelphia Flyers 4. Pittsburgh Penguins 5. New Jersey Devils Real West 1. Vancouver Canucks 8. Los Angeles Kings 2. St. Louis Blues 7. San Jose Sharks 3. Phoenix Coyotes 6. Chicago Blackhawks 4. Nashville Predators 5. Detroit Red Wings East 1. New York Rangers 8. Ottawa Senators 2. Boston Bruins 7. Washington Capitals 3. Florida Panthers 6. New Jersey Devils 4. Pittsburgh Penguins 5. Philadelphia Flyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Canuckian Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Yeah, Florida has 18 OT/SO losses. That's just ridiculous. They have the fewest wins of all playoff bound teams... and they are sub-.500 to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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