Ace_of_Spades Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I think one of the reasons my first post was a negative, is because that negative erased one of my few positives right now: the AMEX line's effectiveness. Actually really like the 3rd line too. But in the interest of being proactive and not just critical, I would submit the following forward lines for consideration: Sedin / Sedin / Kassian Higgins / Kesler / Booth Burrows / Pahlsson / Hansen Manny / Lappy / Weise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 The difference between Raymond and Hansen is that Raymond is put in a position to succeed. He is given better linemates and given PP time. Hansen has been chipping in with points despite playing mostly with 3rd/4th line grinders, #1 PK, and no PP for his entire career. Raymond also signed a much bigger contract so he is expected to perform. I've always thought Raymond was overrated and piggybacked on the success of Kesler and the rushing defensemen. He's often the beneificiary of plays, he's usually not the one making things happen. I think a big issue most people have is the meritocracy and benefit of the doubt. I'll give Kesler and Sedins the benefit of the doubt because they have done it multiple times before. But as for Raymond, he just had one fluke season and he cashed in big for it. Higgins has been one of our most dependable players all season. No matter which line he plays on, there always seems to be a positive effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Spades Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 The difference between Raymond and Hansen is that Raymond is put in a position to succeed. He is given better linemates and given PP time. Hansen has been chipping in with points despite playing mostly with 3rd/4th line grinders, #1 PK, and no PP for his entire career. Raymond also signed a much bigger contract so he is expected to perform. I've always thought Raymond was overrated and piggybacked on the success of Kesler and the rushing defensemen. He's often the beneificiary of plays, he's usually not the one making things happen. I think a big issue most people have is the meritocracy and benefit of the doubt. I'll give Kesler and Sedins the benefit of the doubt because they have done it multiple times before. But as for Raymond, he just had one fluke season and he cashed in big for it. Higgins has been one of our most dependable players all season. No matter which line he plays on, there always seems to be a positive effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoItForRaymond Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 This is how this team fails. Raymond is rewarded a spot in the top 2 lines with his no show. Luongo secures the starting goalie job by losing every game he plays, letting in lots of softies and quickies. Vancouver won't win with AV and MG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleysteamersmyl Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Raymond was one of the best Canucks tonight. He was flying out there. Very unlucky to get at least one goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn antoski Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 raymond was the best canuck forward tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPizzle Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 who was wearing #21 tonite? he looked pretty good out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disgruntler Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 Hey, I'm not a Raymond hater, let's be clear on that. My question was centred on any impact on team dynamics the seemingly prolonged tweaking of lines to get Raymond working might have. Having said that, I fully agree, Raymond look on fire last night. Like, crazy dangling, chipping pucks to himself, shots on net. Looked like a full meal deal. More of that please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disgruntler Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 So you want a kid on the 1st line with the Sedins, and you want your #1 Center on the team to play wing on the 4th line? That's questionable at best. Bottom line is..... while it seems like the sky is falling to us Canuck fans.... I'm not very concerned really, as long as we get ourselves re-energized come playoff time that's all that really matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I just wanted to say that last night I was thoroughly impressed with Raymond's game. If he plays like that every night he is an extremely valuable player. Keep it up MayRay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I would go further and say that is the most dynamic display from a forward we have had all season. With a bit of luck he could have had a hat-trick. I would have eaten my laptop if we had traded him, to see him come back and play like that against us. Kudos AV, you're no fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I didn't mention Bieksa in my earlier post because I am no fan of him. In his breakout year (his only good year), all other defensemen were injured so he got the opportunity to play. Since then, he's needed a crutch to make him look good. ie. Mitchell or Hamhuis who are excellent stay at home defensemen. It only took one game of a Edler-Bieksa pairing to show Bieksa's true worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Perhaps you can explain how Bieksa was a plus player while paired with Rome in the shutdown role last season when Hammer was out with injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I just wanted to say that last night I was thoroughly impressed with Raymond's game. If he plays like that every night he is an extremely valuable player. Keep it up MayRay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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