grumpworsley Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 You don't have either the intelligence nor the hockey understanding to realise he was one of our better players in the first game and no worse than the others in the second. You get 100% effort from him and at least when he is not putting points up, he knows how to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Luongo should go . Best for both sides to have a fresh start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1LuongoFan99 Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Whoever agree with this guy is not a real fan without the sedins i dont think canucks would be first in the leage twice in a row or even in the top 8 k raymond is fast its just he needs to play better and kesler he was the mvp player but he just needs to find his game again after his surgery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1canuck67 Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 if canucks go out early, mg needs to get that #2 pick from columbus! change up the core a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1LuongoFan99 Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Defence. I am sick of watching all our offensive-defencemen play terribly in the post-season. DEFENCE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS, and by defence I mean solid defensive players, not agile small guys who can score goals and make pretty passes, because they get worn down in the playoffs by the bigger-bodied forwards and end up making mistakes. A defenceman should play good defence first, not gamble like the Canucks' do (which is also a fault of our systems that has lead to Chicago and Boston destroying us, now LA too), then play solid physically and finally chip in a little bit of offence. Basically, leave the offence to the forwards and the defence to the defencemen, lets not just load up on offence and pray our goalie can handle defence all by himself because no goalie in the world can. We should go looking for big, strong stay-at-home defencemen similar to those of the Bruins, Rangers and Kings. Guys like Matt Greene and Willie Mitchell are shutting down our offensive stars because its their main job and they're going to be the difference makers in this series. Meanwhile, Edler is being exploited for his poor defensive play and attempts to create offence out of nothing. I say we keep Edler (he is great physically and huge, also adds offence) and Hamhuis (solid defensive specialist) but we have to get rid of Ballard (too nimble, not physical enough, poor positioning) and Bieksa (too small, too many brain-farts defensively and gambles too often). This would free up exactly enough cap room for Weber to sign here (as much as I hate him after his Zetterberg-incident). Then we go out and acquire a solid big, top-4 defenceman (akin to Gill, Myers etc.) Edler - Weber Hamhuis - Gill (for example) Salo - Alberts Rome Tanev That is a proper defence. Each pairing is dominant physically, has great defensive wits and are able to shutdown any number of forwards, whether it be just a few stars like in New York or a deep 3-lined-attack like in Pittsburgh. Plus, each pairing brings plenty of offence to the table, but not by skating well. They may be sluggish and slow, but each pairing has a great shot from the point that can be used, so we keep plenty of offence but really boost our defensive play and physicality. A defence like that above wins cups, not this: Edler - Salo (Salo is too slow to keep up to a fast-paced game and isn't capable to cover up Edler's mistakes in time) Hamhuis - Bieksa (Bieksa is brutal in his own zone, high turnover-takeaway ratio compared to most top defencemen and too small to grind anyone down or intimidate anyone) Tanev - Ballard (weakest defensive pairing by far, Tanev cannot hit and Ballard is too small, both are often caught panicking and may be good skaters, but have terrible positioning) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3KBieksa Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 You don't have either the intelligence nor the hockey understanding to realise he was one of our better players in the first game and no worse than the others in the second. You get 100% effort from him and at least when he is not putting points up, he knows how to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bissonnette Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 You are an idiot. Kesler and the Sedins will never be traded. The only way we trade the Sedins is if we get something like Malkin+Neal back. Kessel+Lupul?LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Last I checked this team has been sitting at the top of the NHL for the past two seasons. Why would Vancouver be trading several members of their core ? Even players like Ballard and Raymond before these Playoffs are done will have shown that they have value on the team and are worth more to Vancouver then what the return on them could be in a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksgyal Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 im feeling really sick right now. I never want to lose sedins or keslers or burrows or any core players. unfortunately, who knows what will happen if we do exit playoffs early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklasjensen46 Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 requardless of where we stand right now in the playoffs, you have to think raymond and ballard are on the chopping block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWheeler Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I'd be open to trading Kesler if it meant getting an 2C who will actually utilize linemates. But then that would involve bringing in 2nd line wingers who can actually finish.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Kesler - his time here is done. He might be a 40-goal scorer again, but he's worth a lot right now, and we need to get someone else in here. Raymond - unfortunately, why would anyone want him? Sedins - it seems that the other teams in the league have figured them out. They might waive their no-trade clauses, and perhaps we could get something like Kessel and Lupul from Toronto. I like the Sedins a lot, but they have never performed consistently for an entire playoff run. We need to stop trading for bottom six players. There are plenty of other teams who are unable to break through to Cup success with their own big-name guys. It's time for a blockbuster trade while these guys still have a lot of value. We don't want to end up like Calgary, stuck with an aging ex-superstar that no-one wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canukapuk Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 if canucks go out early, mg needs to get that #2 pick from columbus! change up the core a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TastySteaks Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I don't believe that the core players need to leave. I do believe however, that they need an addition to make them more effective. The sedins can perform, but they have shown that they can't run the show in the playoffs. Although Kesler plays with heart, He's not our number 1 center and I only see him as a number 2 center on a contender. You can see his frustration with how he's playing though, and it reduces his effectiveness exponentially when he tries to play his chippy game. I think it's a waste to throw an elite player with the sedins seeing that a bargain deal like burrows or really anyone with a shred of skill can play well with them. I'm thinking more someone to complete the second line and make it a real threat. I think once Booth gets used to playing in a competitive city, he will be a beast and is exactly what this team needed. He's not there yet though. Same goes for Kassian. If the kid gets a chance to play like during the year to develop like what other teams do (eg. philadelphia with coutourier/schenn), he's going to be a beast in this league. Although I loved Hodgson, it was a good trade for this team. We may need to bring someone in, but we have to shed some salary space to do it (Ballard, Raymond, Malholtra). If you want to know why I want to keep the core we have, just look at their salary hits. Even an off season with them has them at a bargain deal. We can't bring in anyone comparable without paying 7 m a year. Really, how do you expect us to fill in the bottom end if we brought in a Nash at 7.8 m a year? There is some cap space that needs to be shed and if we can manage that, we may be able to bring in a dynamic 2nd/1st liner to fill in and give us the secondary scoring that we need. A Parise is the only UFA that I can see meeting that need, but I think New Jersey will do anything to keep their captain. We can make some trades but you can't fault Gillis because he has worked with what he has. Keep in mind too that if Luongo is moved, how much cheaper will Schnieder be? He has to be resigned this summer and although I think he's the better option, Gillis would have to be a marionette master to pull enough strings to move him. My opinion is that it's time for a new coach. AV had his time here, came close but after losing last spring is having trouble motivating his players. I don't see much heart these playoffs and it's been painful to watch these first couple games. I'm sick of seeing the Sedins walked over when they're the "leaders" of this team. It reminds me of "Mr. Emotion", Markus Naslund leading this team. Amazing players, but not the leaders you want in the playoffs. This teams needs a shake up, but not a retooling for another 2-3 years. I also don't want to sell all our draft picks and turn into a Calgary with an old core that's worth very little and no depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Kesler needs a playmaker on his line. Him and Booth are 2 very individualistic players. I would NOT trade Kesler unless there is an unbelievable offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Kesler and the Sedins will never be traded, at least not until they're in the twilight of their careers. So what if Kesler had a bad season. IT HAPPENS, even to the best players. I really shouldn't be surprised that someone made this thread, this is CDC after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs2016 Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Bring back the minus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugli Fruit Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 We can't exactly do a Philly-esque retool. We won't trade the Sedins. They took less to stay with us and have invested so much for this city and we're going to turn around and trade them? Raymond I could see going but it won't be for the value we want anyway. Kesler is a funny one. He hasn't underperformed this bad since his third year in 08. However you must factor in his major off-season surgery and the PP being terrible, where he got a healthy portion of his goals and points last season. Value isn't the highest right now and w have to remember that he too took less to stay here and that he still brings it 100% every shift. His work ethic isn't something to quickly trade away and easily be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Brown Burrows Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Raymond should be gone. Kesler should be gere for another season; we would've kept Cody if trading Kesler was an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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