D-Money Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 There is some speculation on HF that Orpik could be moved. That's a guy I wouldn't mind having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 For those saying Kesler is better than Staal, there is some truth to that. And obviously Kesler brings more speed. But in a deal involving both, there'd probably be more than one piece. And don't forget, Staal has suffered some injuries the past 2 years, but has paced for 60 & 66 points. He's 4 years younger than Kesler and already has been to the SCF twice and won a cup. He's never played on a Sedin PP - Kesler averaged 3:30 of PP TOI/G this year, whereas Staal averaged 1:59.... Also don't forget that Staal has 2 inches and 20 pounds+ on Kesler. And he paced for more hits last year than Kesler as well. Oh! And he doesn't dive and embellish nearly as often or ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Jordan Staal had a PPG of 0.81 this year. That puts him as a top line centre on... Anaheim (0.70 of Getzlaf) Buffalo (0.55 of Roy) Calgary (0.74 of Jokinen) Colorado (0.68 of O'Reilly) Columbus (0.55 of Brassard) Florida (0.71 of Weiss) Minnesota (0.80 of Koivu) Montreal (0.74 of Desharnais) Nashville (0.71 of Fisher) NY Rangers (0.80 of Richards) Phoenix (0.45 of Vermette) St. Louis (0.66 of Backes) Toronto (0.69 of Grabovski) Winnipeg (0.62 of Little) *positions taken from NHL.com so if a player is listed as a centre and he's not, not my fault) Though his PPG is likely boosted by playing on the same team as Sid and Geno, I can understand why he's not content playing 3rd line minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 If Staal moves, it'll be Toronto or Nashville. Toronto could offer any one but Kessel or Gardiner. Their young talent is underrated. Nashville can offer anyone but Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 For those saying Kesler is better than Staal, there is some truth to that. And obviously Kesler brings more speed. But in a deal involving both, there'd probably be more than one piece. And don't forget, Staal has suffered some injuries the past 2 years, but has paced for 60 & 66 points. He's 4 years younger than Kesler and already has been to the SCF twice and won a cup. He's never played on a Sedin PP - Kesler averaged 3:30 of PP TOI/G this year, whereas Staal averaged 1:59.... Also don't forget that Staal has 2 inches and 20 pounds+ on Kesler. And he paced for more hits last year than Kesler as well. Oh! And he doesn't dive and embellish nearly as often or ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 If we're entertaining the thought of trading Kesler, I'd be calling Bob Murray non-stop asking about Getzlaf. Newell Brown & Getzlaf would make it that much easier to grab Corey Perry in 2013. 2013-2014 #1 powerplay unit: Sedin Sedin Perry Getzlaf Edler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiangunner Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 For those saying Kesler is better than Staal, there is some truth to that. And obviously Kesler brings more speed. But in a deal involving both, there'd probably be more than one piece. And don't forget, Staal has suffered some injuries the past 2 years, but has paced for 60 & 66 points. He's 4 years younger than Kesler and already has been to the SCF twice and won a cup. He's never played on a Sedin PP - Kesler averaged 3:30 of PP TOI/G this year, whereas Staal averaged 1:59.... Also don't forget that Staal has 2 inches and 20 pounds+ on Kesler. And he paced for more hits last year than Kesler as well. Oh! And he doesn't dive and embellish nearly as often or ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiangunner Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 If we're entertaining the thought of trading Kesler, I'd be calling Bob Murray non-stop asking about Getzlaf. Newell Brown & Getzlaf would make it that much easier to grab Corey Perry in 2013. 2013-2014 #1 powerplay unit: Sedin Sedin Perry Getzlaf Edler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 When's the last time Staal played 82 games?Staal not an improvement on Kesler, doesn't help the nucks secondary scoring, that deal would be a move just to make a move...not gillis style.I do agree moving Kesler makes sense but for a different return, ala Richards or Carter makes more sense and then move lu or schneider for a second line center and top 4 dman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 If we're entertaining the thought of trading Kesler, I'd be calling Bob Murray non-stop asking about Getzlaf. Newell Brown & Getzlaf would make it that much easier to grab Corey Perry in 2013. 2013-2014 #1 powerplay unit: Sedin Sedin Perry Getzlaf Edler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiangunner Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I didn't say Staal straight up for Kes would be an improvement. Staal + another solid piece? Probably. And Kesler is NOT that MUCH better than Staal who brings some other things to the table (more physical, stronger on the puck, generally bigger, lots of playoff experience, younger, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Oh yes the famous "another piece". Maybe staal and orpik for kesler/ballard? Unless AV gets fired then Ballard will be a stud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiangunner Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Haha. I was thinking if AV was gonna get fired and Ballard could be a stud, why not his old defense partner who he had a lot of success with, Kesler + Raymond for Staal + Michalek + a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I like it but not sure Raymond has to much value.The other guy I want nucks to be looking at is Chris Stewart (not for kesler) but this guy is lost in St. louis, hitchcok doesn't like his game but he is exactly the type nucks could use and will be an RFA and young only 24. Could see nucks turning this former 30plus scorer back to his Av's days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 You would think he'd want out since a first line calibre player is in a 3rd line center position. But if one could dream of a roster for 2013-14... Daniel - Henrik - Hartnell Booth - Kesler - Staal Higgins - Schroeder - Jensen Burrows - Lapierre - Hansen **drools** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Staal is waaaay overrated on this board. He is a 50 point player who belongs on the second or third line. He is NOT elite talent, or a 1st line center. Should another team try to cast him in that role, they will soon find they have a 50 point 1st line center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Staal is waaaay overrated on this board. He is a 50 point player who belongs on the second or third line. He is NOT elite talent, or a 1st line center. Should another team try to cast him in that role, they will soon find they have a 50 point 1st line center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyosama Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 exactly. If he's not interested in pits he wont be interested in Van, and for all the nitwits saying Staal>Kes lay off the crack pipe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Läck Ness Monster Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Staal to the Avs for a package involving Ryan O'Reilly to unite the O'Reilly Bros? Got Ryan O'Reilly on my Pittsburgh team for one of my sim leagues. Got it done without giving up any significant pieces tho, including Staal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanBeef Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Watch it be Staal and Niskanen for a young power forward and an underachieving middle aged dman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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