Why I Believe Mactavish Should Be Coach Next Year & Why Av Should Be Fired

[The Sedin's 6th Sense]

*Firstly, just want to say that AV is not a bad coach, in fact, he's easily top 5 in the entire league - the system he has created is one that will allow the team to beat any team they come by, so yea, just a heads up...not going to bash him, reasons will be given.*

Redundant, very, but I feel the reasoning's I'll give are of some that haven't been discussed before. Want to say that I disagree with what MG said about AV in his last press conference, though he is the best GM in the league, but just don't follow with this one thing he said (I'm a full MG supporter, just this though). MG said something along the lines of, AV shouldn't be let go of just because of an early exit - He led us to 2 straight Presidents Trophy, has the most wins in Canucks franchise....but that isn't good enough of a reason. So what if he's had past success? The past is the past, and things are changing, and 2 Presidents Trophy's are cool and all, but whats the point if a coach can't lead an all-star team to a Stanley Cup when he's been given 2 opportunities with a golden team each year. Yes, game 7 of the SCF was all we could ask for and if we did win this wouldn't even be a topic this time around - AV did a brilliant job last year - but with a better team this year than last year arguably, how could one do so poorly? Yes my reasoning is partially based cause AV let us down this year, but all good things must come to an end sadly.

...Time to get the real reason unveiled. The secret to winning a Stanley Cup in today's NHL is simple: Have a solid team, and ontop of that, you must have young, talented, rookies/prospects on the team contributing to help you win before they age and go for the big money, aka contract time - plain and simple. Take a look at last year's winner, the Bruin. They had a young talented prospect in Seguin and they made him contribute even though he was young. Yea, rookies are going to make mistakes, but everyone does. It doesn't matter if its a 34 year old veteran or a 21 year old rookie - each of them learn afterwards, and making mistakes is part of the process. They also had talent in Marchand and talent can be described in many ways which I like to sum up as: any way in which one can help a team team win, and Marchand sure did have his ways of doing so. ...If AV was coach of the Bruins yesterday, with Marchand not being able to simply dump the puck in which led to a counter attack and them losing, I can honestly say next year, Marchand would get less ice time from AV, simply because it was a young player making a mistake, and for some reason, when a youngster makes it, its worse than when a veteran does it. Luckily, AV isn't the Bruins coach and Julien is smart and he knows mistakes are bound to happen, so let it be, you can't do anything about it. If your AV on the other hand, you can try to pull a hero and do something about it by benching all your youngsters who have the craving to win and hope rolling 3 lines only will, but obviously it doesn't work and there's no way around it. 2 years ago, the SC winners Hawks had: Bickell, Bolland, Brouwer, Kane, Toews. And some may say well Toews is an all-star, not your average prospect but that's another thing, youngsters flourish when they are given ice time and are given the oppurtunity to help contribute, and AV just can't do that. Its why Toews has become who he is, and why Seguin and Marchand have become so dangerous at such a young age. '09 Pens: Malkin, Crosby, Staal, Letang....You can check all the way up till '05, cause it is arguably the time when this philosophy to winning came about, and every team has had young talented prospects contribute which led to them winning.

This year, Philly looks bound to win it, and its no surprise how many youngsters they got helping contribute: Giroux, Schenn, Voracek, Simmonds, Riemsdyk (Injured), Couturier, Read, Zolnierczyk, E. Wellwood, Carle, Coburn, Bourdon....its not a coincidence, and MG has to realize if the coach isn't willing to play youngsters, he has to go cause he's playing against the honest odds. MG realizes that's what has to happen - he said in his last interview he wants to get the team younger, add in prospects to next years team, and he's not saying it for no reason, its cause he knows it'll help win the Cup. We can have a team next year consisting of Kassian, Jensen, Schroeder and Rodin in the top 12 forward group....they could easily be our bottom 6 and media and poor fans would say 'Look at this...we're going for the Cup, we have this much of a gap to do so, blah blah blah....and we have youngsters in the lineup. Good one, have a fun time winning', but ironically, it is what will make us win, well that's only if the coach lets them contribute which is why I disagree with MG on AV should stay.

...When MG got Kassian, AV said in the press conference something like 'my scouts told me what he'd bring to the table and what I'd get in him and he does bring it and is it' - well why the heck did you give him 5 minutes of icetime in the post-season then!? Why? Because its clear that AV is not comfortable letting youngsters play, and he believes when they make a mistake, they should be benched entirely and he even sacrifices rolling 4 lines in the playoffs while benching them by only playing 3. It worked perfectly well in the regular season when you rolled 4 lines, so what made you think rolling 3 in the playoffs would help win more? AV is a great coach, but 1 flaw we continue to see is that he doesn't use youngsters to the potential they can be used to, and cause of it, its arguably caused us the Cup and we have everything to win it - A solid team, veteran players, star players, star goaltending, and star rookies/prospects, but again, AV flushes the last bit down the toilet.

This all leads to why MacT would be the perfect fit as our head coach! Back in '06, Craig led a cr@p Oilers team to game 7 of the SCF and lost, but it was a totally different scenario than how AV did it! AV had a Godly team and still couldn't do it, end of story. On the other hand, the Oilers were the 8th seed team (!!!) in the conference, and he used his players wisely like how teams now do to win the Cup *Hint Hint: Used youngsters especially*, and cause of it, he gave Edmonton a whole lot of a crazier ride then they were expecting. At the time in '06, he proved and showed he was comfortable and relied on youngsters, and what do you know, lets take another look at the youngsters he had and let contribute: M. Bergeron - 25 yrs old, Brodziak - 21 yrs old, M. Greene - 22 yrs old, Hemsky - 22 yrs old, Jacques - 20 yrs old, Pouliot - 20 yrs old, Roy - 22 yrs old, Semenov - 24 yrs old, Statsny - 23 yrs old, Stoll - 23 yrs old, Torres - 24 yrs old. ....It just comes to show MacTavish knows what it takes to win it, and even with an incomplete team in Edmonton, he still managed to take the Oilers to the same place AV took us last year except, AV had a Godly team and MacT had a incomplete team.

With MG's work here, he's given us everything we need to win a Cup and sadly, AV hasn't been able to put the pieces together to make it work, and with everything here and MacT in the minors knowing how to use these pieces, making him head coach would ultimately give us the best possible chance to win the Cup and it would be an almost guarantee we would win.

....Thanks for reading the long post, but its what I had to write in order to discuss what hadn't been before, and its the cold hard truth unfortunately. With this, I hope that MacTavish will be coach next year and I'd wish all the best to AV moving forward. Thanks again if you took the time to read

[Bieksasangryface]

*Firstly, just want to say that AV is not a bad coach, in fact, he's easily top 5 in the entire league - the system he has created is one that will allow the team to beat any team they come by, so yea, just a heads up...not going to bash him, reasons will be given.*

Redundant, very, but I feel the reasoning's I'll give are of some that haven't been discussed before. Want to say that I disagree with what MG said about AV in his last press conference, though he is the best GM in the league, but just don't follow with this one thing he said (I'm a full MG supporter, just this though). MG said something along the lines of, AV shouldn't be let go of just because of an early exit - He led us to 2 straight Presidents Trophy, has the most wins in Canucks franchise....but that isn't good enough of a reason. So what if he's had past success? The past is the past, and things are changing, and 2 Presidents Trophy's are cool and all, but whats the point if a coach can't lead an all-star team to a Stanley Cup when he's been given 2 opportunities with a golden team each year. Yes, game 7 of the SCF was all we could ask for and if we did win this wouldn't even be a topic this time around - AV did a brilliant job last year - but with a better team this year than last year arguably, how could one do so poorly? Yes my reasoning is partially based cause AV let us down this year, but all good things must come to an end sadly.

...Time to get the real reason unveiled. The secret to winning a Stanley Cup in today's NHL is simple: Have a solid team, and ontop of that, you must have young, talented, rookies/prospects on the team contributing to help you win before they age and go for the big money, aka contract time - plain and simple. Take a look at last year's winner, the Bruin. They had a young talented prospect in Seguin and they made him contribute even though he was young. Yea, rookies are going to make mistakes, but everyone does. It doesn't matter if its a 34 year old veteran or a 21 year old rookie - each of them learn afterwards, and making mistakes is part of the process. They also had talent in Marchand and talent can be described in many ways which I like to sum up as: any way in which one can help a team team win, and Marchand sure did have his ways of doing so. ...If AV was coach of the Bruins yesterday, with Marchand not being able to simply dump the puck in which led to a counter attack and them losing, I can honestly say next year, Marchand would get less ice time from AV, simply because it was a young player making a mistake, and for some reason, when a youngster makes it, its worse than when a veteran does it. Luckily, AV isn't the Bruins coach and Julien is smart and he knows mistakes are bound to happen, so let it be, you can't do anything about it. If your AV on the other hand, you can try to pull a hero and do something about it by benching all your youngsters who have the craving to win and hope rolling 3 lines only will, but obviously it doesn't work and there's no way around it. 2 years ago, the SC winners Hawks had: Bickell, Bolland, Brouwer, Kane, Toews. And some may say well Toews is an all-star, not your average prospect but that's another thing, youngsters flourish when they are given ice time and are given the oppurtunity to help contribute, and AV just can't do that. Its why Toews has become who he is, and why Seguin and Marchand have become so dangerous at such a young age. '09 Pens: Malkin, Crosby, Staal, Letang....You can check all the way up till '05, cause it is arguably the time when this philosophy to winning came about, and every team has had young talented prospects contribute which led to them winning.

This year, Philly looks bound to win it, and its no surprise how many youngsters they got helping contribute: Giroux, Schenn, Voracek, Simmonds, Riemsdyk (Injured), Couturier, Read, Zolnierczyk, E. Wellwood, Carle, Coburn, Bourdon....its not a coincidence, and MG has to realize if the coach isn't willing to play youngsters, he has to go cause he's playing against the honest odds. MG realizes that's what has to happen - he said in his last interview he wants to get the team younger, add in prospects to next years team, and he's not saying it for no reason, its cause he knows it'll help win the Cup. We can have a team next year consisting of Kassian, Jensen, Schroeder and Rodin in the top 12 forward group....they could easily be our bottom 6 and media and poor fans would say 'Look at this...we're going for the Cup, we have this much of a gap to do so, blah blah blah....and we have youngsters in the lineup. Good one, have a fun time winning', but ironically, it is what will make us win, well that's only if the coach lets them contribute which is why I disagree with MG on AV should stay.

...When MG got Kassian, AV said in the press conference something like 'my scouts told me what he'd bring to the table and what I'd get in him and he does bring it and is it' - well why the heck did you give him 5 minutes of icetime in the post-season then!? Why? Because its clear that AV is not comfortable letting youngsters play, and he believes when they make a mistake, they should be benched entirely and he even sacrifices rolling 4 lines in the playoffs while benching them by only playing 3. It worked perfectly well in the regular season when you rolled 4 lines, so what made you think rolling 3 in the playoffs would help win more? AV is a great coach, but 1 flaw we continue to see is that he doesn't use youngsters to the potential they can be used to, and cause of it, its arguably caused us the Cup and we have everything to win it - A solid team, veteran players, star players, star goaltending, and star rookies/prospects, but again, AV flushes the last bit down the toilet.

This all leads to why MacT would be the perfect fit as our head coach! Back in '06, Craig led a cr@p Oilers team to game 7 of the SCF and lost, but it was a totally different scenario than how AV did it! AV had a Godly team and still couldn't do it, end of story. On the other hand, the Oilers were the 8th seed team (!!!) in the conference, and he used his players wisely like how teams now do to win the Cup *Hint Hint: Used youngsters especially*, and cause of it, he gave Edmonton a whole lot of a crazier ride then they were expecting. At the time in '06, he proved and showed he was comfortable and relied on youngsters, and what do you know, lets take another look at the youngsters he had and let contribute: M. Bergeron - 25 yrs old, Brodziak - 21 yrs old, M. Greene - 22 yrs old, Hemsky - 22 yrs old, Jacques - 20 yrs old, Pouliot - 20 yrs old, Roy - 22 yrs old, Semenov - 24 yrs old, Statsny - 23 yrs old, Stoll - 23 yrs old, Torres - 24 yrs old. ....It just comes to show MacTavish knows what it takes to win it, and even with an incomplete team in Edmonton, he still managed to take the Oilers to the same place AV took us last year except, AV had a Godly team and MacT had a incomplete team.

With MG's work here, he's given us everything we need to win a Cup and sadly, AV hasn't been able to put the pieces together to make it work, and with everything here and MacT in the minors knowing how to use these pieces, making him head coach would ultimately give us the best possible chance to win the Cup and it would be an almost guarantee we would win.

....Thanks for reading the long post, but its what I had to write in order to discuss what hadn't been before, and its the cold hard truth unfortunately. With this, I hope that MacTavish will be coach next year and I'd wish all the best to AV moving forward. Thanks again if you took the time to read

[Tystick]

I did not read it all, but I don't think AV will be fired IMO. He's the Canucks coach all time wins leader (won in less games than Crawford), him, the players, and staff have a great relationship, and he's won two President Trophy's in a row with his system.

The fact people want him out is just silly.

[DIBdaQUIB]

If MG backs AV and keeps him, the writing is on the wall for Lu to go.

If MG keeps LU and lets go of Cory after AV chose him to carry the team in the playoffs, there will be trouble.

It's one or the other

[timmylu1]

i refuse to read this crap

[nux4lyfe]

MacT? lol, April fools is over!

[goblix]

AV stays for one more year for sure, but I do agree with you it makes me sick the way he doesn't cut the rookies some slack OR call up a few players to give them a taste of the NHL for certain situations, aka Daniel goes out... bring up Rodin / Shroeder / Sweatt for a few games, you get them experience to not only learn what it's all about but they now bring it back to the AHL and it'll help develop their game.

I'm not sure if MacTavish is our overall coach answer, IMO I think we need to say goodbye to Rick Bowness, good guy but he works on the defence and some powerplay formations, I would like to see a fresh take and a more pressure then crash type defence in front of the net to clear the rebounds and reflect the pucks.

[cs2016]

i refuse to read this crap

[elvis15]

Before I bother to read, tell me what is different in this thread versus any other thread about AV or MacT recently?

[AnInconvenienceBrah]

isn't MacT a very similar coach to AV?... Coaching isn't this teams major issue, scoring in the playoffs is. This core can't score in the playoffs and this has been a problem since this core was put together, it's foolish to think this core will turn on a switch next post season and start scoring. If we want to fix our major post season problem then a major shake up is needed in the top 6. New coaching staff is needed but I'm not sold on MacT

[timmylu1]

It may not be crap... you never know even though I didn`t read either

[ccc44]

The system team plays

The ice time young players get

The call ups

these are all things controlled by Gillis , Since Mike Gillis has been here if you pay attention to the little bit of information that are not a cliche you can tell he is very hands on and wants to have full control of the team .The ice time and call ups of you young players is something very similar to what Detroit does and this who Gillis has been modelling the Canucks after

[AnInconvenienceBrah]

The system team plays

The ice time young players get

The call ups

these are all things controlled by Gillis , Since Mike Gillis has been here if you pay attention to the little bit of information that are not a cliche you can tell he is very hands on and wants to have full control of the team .The ice time and call ups of you young players is something very similar to what Detroit does and this who Gillis has been modelling the Canucks after

[ccc44]

The system the team plays

The ice time young players get

The call ups

these are all things controlled by Gillis , Since Mike Gillis has been here if you pay attention to the little bit of information that are not a cliche you can tell he is very hands on and wants to have full control of the team .The ice time and call ups of you young players is something very similar to what Detroit does and this who Gillis has been modelling the Canucks after

The only way AV goes if the players have tuned him out or ownership tells Gillis to fire him or if Gillis gets fired and a new GM wants him oot

[Newsflash]

MacT got the Oilers to the SCF playing the trap. If this year was not an abnormality, and the future of the NHL is the trap... why not MacTavish? AV can play a trap too, but after a certain point, I believe players begin to lose respect for their coach. This was apparent in how lazily the Canucks seemed to go about their business for long periods of time IMO.

Also, if we decide to play the trap, we can make the transition easier than Detroit, Pittsburgh, etc. That is because we used to play one! Edler was the best defensively he's ever been playing that style of system. Kesler became a fan favourite under AV's stingy defensive game. The Sedins are capable of playing it. Why not MacT?

[ccc44]

those are all things coaches have a major control of... coaches have a huge say in call ups and coaches control players ice time and the system played.

[ccc44]

i dont think under Mike Gillis they do ,Each GM does things differently and from my observations Mike Gillis is a control freak

[Starting Schneids]

Aaron Rome for head coach.

That guy can do anything he puts his mind to.

[leftcoast]

You should have stopped at redundant

[AnInconvenienceBrah]

i dont think under Mike Gillis they do , from my observations Mike Gillis is a control freak