AnInconvenienceBrah Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Not to mention being one win away from winning the Stanley Cup. Everyone will know when we decide to rebuild, as the Sedin twins will be involved in trade talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Rebuilding after winning two straight President's Trophy? I don't think so, just improving the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted April 29, 2012 Author Share Posted April 29, 2012 Gragnani and Kassian........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWild Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Was just looking back at the last 4 SCF winners, and found something pretty interesting. GM's made some 'significant additions' the summer/season after their team didn't win the cup. After the 'significant additions', they won the Cup. Bruins: 2009-10 playoffs they were embarrassed in 2nd round by Philly after blowing a 3-0 series lead. Going into, or during, 2010-11 season they added Marchand, Seguin, Horton, Kelly, Peverly, Seidenburg, Kaberle and Campbell. Then they won the Cup. Hawks: 2008-09 they were ousted in the Conferenece Finals. Going into, or during, 2009-10 season Hawks GM added Hossa, Kopecky, Sopel, Madden, and Bickell. Then they won the Cup. Pittsburg: 2007-08 they lost to Detroit in the SCF. Going into, or during, 2008-09 season they fired the coach, added Guerin, Fedetenko, Kunitz, Saton, Eaton, and Cooke. Then they won the Cup. Detroit: 2006-07 they lost to ANA in the conference finals. Going into, or during, the 2007-08 season they added Kronwall, Rafalski, Stuart, Helm, and Drake. Then they won the Cup. Here's what the Canucks did the summer/season after they didn't win the Cup (last yr). Added Pahlsson and Booth - that's it. [Kassian, Ebbett, Weise etc didn't either play enough games, enough minutes or contribute offensively to be considered as an 'addition' for any team on my lists]. Basically it states: GMs made changes when their team didn't win the Cup. Whether their team lost in the SCF or in 1st round, they made at least 5 significant additions the following year and then they won Stanley. No GM in the last 4 yrs stuck with the same faces and won the Cup the following yr. I think it speaks to parity in the league and if you're not successful one year, you HAVE to make changes (specifically additions) to win the Cup. Lets hope Gillis actually sees this and makes changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snucks Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Rebuilding after winning two straight President's Trophy? I don't think so, just improving the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 Was just looking back at the last 4 SCF winners, and found something pretty interesting. GM's made some 'significant additions' the summer/season after their team didn't win the cup. After the 'significant additions', they won the Cup. Bruins: 2009-10 playoffs they were embarrassed in 2nd round by Philly after blowing a 3-0 series lead. Going into, or during, 2010-11 season they added Marchand, Seguin, Horton, Kelly, Peverly, Seidenburg, Kaberle and Campbell. Then they won the Cup. Hawks: 2008-09 they were ousted in the Conferenece Finals. Going into, or during, 2009-10 season Hawks GM added Hossa, Kopecky, Sopel, Madden, and Bickell. Then they won the Cup. Pittsburg: 2007-08 they lost to Detroit in the SCF. Going into, or during, 2008-09 season they fired the coach, added Guerin, Fedetenko, Kunitz, Saton, Eaton, and Cooke. Then they won the Cup. Detroit: 2006-07 they lost to ANA in the conference finals. Going into, or during, the 2007-08 season they added Kronwall, Rafalski, Stuart, Helm, and Drake. Then they won the Cup. Here's what the Canucks did the summer/season after they didn't win the Cup (last yr). Added Pahlsson and Booth - that's it. [Kassian, Ebbett, Weise etc didn't either play enough games, enough minutes or contribute offensively to be considered as an 'addition' for any team on my lists]. Basically it states: GMs made changes when their team didn't win the Cup. Whether their team lost in the SCF or in 1st round, they made at least 5 significant additions the following year and then they won Stanley. No GM in the last 4 yrs stuck with the same faces and won the Cup the following yr. I think it speaks to parity in the league and if you're not successful one year, you HAVE to make changes (specifically additions) to win the Cup. Lets hope Gillis actually sees this and makes changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 The Presidents trophy means squat. If you don't have the players you are finished. The media kept taking about Canucks great D. What were they on? What happened to the D? Weren't they Boness's area? The coaches and team need a rebuild otherwise it will be same old again. Next year the Oilers will be better, but will the Canucks? We don't get good drafts because we end up too high in the standings. Last year was just a lucky year and the Canuck team got on a roll in the playoffs but lost to the dirty Bruins and their reffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHawkSniper Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Of course they are rebuilding, didn't ya see them win back-to-back Pres Trophies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 We aren' anywhere near re-building. We just need to add a few more pieces to the puzzle and we'll be good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 Lol.. Re-building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 RunningWild, on 30 April 2012 - 07:29 PM, said: Was just looking back at the last 4 SCF winners, and found something pretty interesting. GM's made some 'significant additions' the summer/season after their team didn't win the cup. After the 'significant additions', they won the Cup. Bruins: 2009-10 playoffs they were embarrassed in 2nd round by Philly after blowing a 3-0 series lead. Going into, or during, 2010-11 season they added Marchand, Seguin, Horton, Kelly, Peverly, Seidenburg, Kaberle and Campbell. Then they won the Cup. Hawks: 2008-09 they were ousted in the Conferenece Finals. Going into, or during, 2009-10 season Hawks GM added Hossa, Kopecky, Sopel, Madden, and Bickell. Then they won the Cup. Pittsburg: 2007-08 they lost to Detroit in the SCF. Going into, or during, 2008-09 season they fired the coach, added Guerin, Fedetenko, Kunitz, Saton, Eaton, and Cooke. Then they won the Cup. Detroit: 2006-07 they lost to ANA in the conference finals. Going into, or during, the 2007-08 season they added Kronwall, Rafalski, Stuart, Helm, and Drake. Then they won the Cup. Here's what the Canucks did the summer/season after they didn't win the Cup (last yr). Added Pahlsson and Booth - that's it. [Kassian, Ebbett, Weise etc didn't either play enough games, enough minutes or contribute offensively to be considered as an 'addition' for any team on my lists]. Basically it states: GMs made changes when their team didn't win the Cup. Whether their team lost in the SCF or in 1st round, they made at least 5 significant additions the following year and then they won Stanley. No GM in the last 4 yrs stuck with the same faces and won the Cup the following yr. I think it speaks to parity in the league and if you're not successful one year, you HAVE to make changes (specifically additions) to win the Cup. Lets hope Gillis actually sees this and makes changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWild Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 great stuff man....i see up to 6 player movements this year, that''s why i posted this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I donlt think Gillis has figured it out yet. IF he trades LU, he's re-building around Cory and some new young talent and hope to be back challenging for the cup in 2-3 years.. IF he trades Cory, he's going to try and win the cup in the next 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 Personally, I believe this is direct result of the cap era. Years 1 and 2 after introduction of the salary cap was a buffer for GMs. They were figuring out how to navigate in the cap era, negotiate contracts and build teams. In the last few yrs, I think GMs have realized if they didn't win the cup one yr, it wasn't the team who would win it the next yr (regardless of exit status in the playoffs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoolander Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 2012-2013 Line-up After Trading Luongo for Toronto's 1st round pick (Draft Dumba) and Colbourne Trading Edler, and Higgins for Perry Sign Parise (7yr, 49 million dollars) Sedin-Sedin-Perry Booth-Kesler-Parise Burrows-Colbourne-Hansen Bitz-Lapierre-Kassian Bieksa-Hamhuis Dumba-Tanev Salo-Sauve/Alberts Schneider Lack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberries Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 what makes you think dumba is ready for the nhl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schneider Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 lmao rebuilding a team that just won back to back pres trophies and last year got to g7 of the scf? did u just start watching hockey on april 12th? team needs changes but nowhere near a rebuild @/user/66621-dibdaquib/">DIBdaQUIB : if gillis trades cory and keeps luongo, hes hoping to never win a cup until luongo's contract expires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WL Canuck Fan Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I see some great thoughts on this thread. I am with the "we need small changes" crowd, we are nowhere near a rebuild. The Detroit model is to never rebuild, just repair what is necessary. So, that being said, what do we do? 1) Some grit on the first line. Suggestion? Booth. Now, maybe we could get a bigger name like Perry, but I see that as less likely. So, we get Sedin, Sedin, Booth 2) Second line needs a center. Kesler is not playing like a center, he is playing like a winger. He needs a playmaker. Suggestion? Well, this would have to be part of the Luongo trade, assuming one happens. Patrick Sharpe, Phil Kessell, Tomas Fleischman So, we get Burrows Kessell, Kesler 3) Some size on the back end. This is not personal, but Ballard is not working out in Vancouver. He is the only major salary dman that I see us moving. He can't be happy with his playing time, coach is not confident in him, etc. Suggestion? Byfuglien. Now, Ballard for Byfuglien is not going to happen straight across, but throw in Raymond? Maybe. So, then I see some free agent signings to round us out. We could look like this CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER My Custom Lineup FORWARDS Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / David Booth ($4.250m) Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / P-A Parenteau ($2.000m) Jannik Hansen ($1.350m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m) Zenon Konopka ($1.000m) / Mike Duco ($0.605m) DEFENSEMEN Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) Dustin Byfuglien ($5.200m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m) Marc-Andre Gragnani ($0.605m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m) Sami Salo ($1.250m) / GOALTENDERS Cory Schneider ($2.000m) Eddie Lack ($0.900m) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,280,000; BONUSES: $0 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,020,000 So, our power play could change also Perhaps Sedin Sedin Byfuglien Salo Edler or Kesler Kessle Byfuglien Bieksa Edler Something with some net presence. Anyway, we need tweaking, not a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nuckswillwinitall Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 rebuilding no, re-tooling YES!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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