nucks4sure Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 The only reason I start a new topic is because so many other topics about something else end up back to AV and Gillis and weather they should be let go. My only argument is just how watchable was this team a lot of nights this past season.The AV system leaves a lot to be desired.If people on here just want to preach the win loss record then Av is your guy.If wanting to watch a product that generates some exitement like something as visual as hockey should then our coach should learn to orchastrate music.He gives the audience about the same heart beat. To simplify his system,get the puck out and up and then here is where I believe it goes to hell.I watched all 87 games this year and this never changed,as soon as the forwards had the puck they would dump and chase(as or as I call it,have possession and give it away) or if they carried it in they would always fade to the boards and enevitably end up behind the net.The end result was always the same,the opposition gains enough time to get back and form the box and close out the team.That having been done the Canucks now go to their big go to move,slide it back to the defense for a shot that would miss because the D can see so little of the net or else the majority of the time it was tipped or blocked.This more than anything was the biggest result for the deminish in Canucks scoring and why so many games after Christmas had to be decided in overtime(the only time AV seemed to be happy with the puck going to the net instead of around it)or a shootout. The lack of player developement and AV having his favorites whether the played like crap are an argument for another time.My problem isn't even with that.A skilled team with a fair amount of speed forced to drive it to the outside and behind the net on a vast majority of rushes is my problem.This is an Av problem,not a league one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tan Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 The only reason I start a new topic is because so many other topics about something else end up back to AV and Gillis and weather they should be let go. My only argument is just how watchable was this team a lot of nights this past season.The AV system leaves a lot to be desired.If people on here just want to preach the win loss record then Av is your guy.If wanting to watch a product that generates some exitement like something as visual as hockey should then our coach should learn to orchastrate music.He gives the audience about the same heart beat. To simplify his system,get the puck out and up and then here is where I believe it goes to hell.I watched all 87 games this year and this never changed,as soon as the forwards had the puck they would dump and chase(as or as I call it,have possession and give it away) or if they carried it in they would always fade to the boards and enevitably end up behind the net.The end result was always the same,the opposition gains enough time to get back and form the box and close out the team.That having been done the Canucks now go to their big go to move,slide it back to the defense for a shot that would miss because the D can see so little of the net or else the majority of the time it was tipped or blocked.This more than anything was the biggest result for the deminish in Canucks scoring and why so many games after Christmas had to be decided in overtime(the only time AV seemed to be happy with the puck going to the net instead of around it)or a shootout. The lack of player developement and AV having his favorites whether the played like crap are an argument for another time.My problem isn't even with that.A skilled team with a fair amount of speed forced to drive it to the outside and behind the net on a vast majority of rushes is my problem.This is an Av problem,not a league one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 stay for sure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nwo Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I'm still kind of choked at him for not using the Burrows - Sedin - Lapierre line against LA. We were freaking 8-1-1 or something in the 10 games leading up to the playoffs. Why he had to go screw with the lines is beyond me. Also I'm not a fan of the head games he plays sometimes with his own players. I also am not a fan of Rick Bowness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lateralus Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Pretty much sums it up nicely: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Couldn't get it done last year when the team was a it's peak and like the OP said, the personnel decisions and product ont eh ice this year was not impressive. THe only reason this team did anything this year was because of a goalie tandem that was the best in the league. THat came to an end in the playoffs when despite giving up only 4 goals in 3 games, this team could only win 1 game. Pathetic!! AV had his chance, time for a fresh start and new energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I'm still kind of choked at him for not using the Burrows - Sedin - Lapierre line against LA. We were freaking 8-1-1 or something in the 10 games leading up to the playoffs. Why he had to go screw with the lines is beyond me. Also I'm not a fan of the head games he plays sometimes with his own players. I also am not a fan of Rick Bowness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooBie604 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 The only reason I start a new topic is because so many other topics about something else end up back to AV and Gillis and weather they should be let go. My only argument is just how watchable was this team a lot of nights this past season.The AV system leaves a lot to be desired.If people on here just want to preach the win loss record then Av is your guy.If wanting to watch a product that generates some exitement like something as visual as hockey should then our coach should learn to orchastrate music.He gives the audience about the same heart beat. To simplify his system,get the puck out and up and then here is where I believe it goes to hell.I watched all 87 games this year and this never changed,as soon as the forwards had the puck they would dump and chase(as or as I call it,have possession and give it away) or if they carried it in they would always fade to the boards and enevitably end up behind the net.The end result was always the same,the opposition gains enough time to get back and form the box and close out the team.That having been done the Canucks now go to their big go to move,slide it back to the defense for a shot that would miss because the D can see so little of the net or else the majority of the time it was tipped or blocked.This more than anything was the biggest result for the deminish in Canucks scoring and why so many games after Christmas had to be decided in overtime(the only time AV seemed to be happy with the puck going to the net instead of around it)or a shootout. The lack of player developement and AV having his favorites whether the played like crap are an argument for another time.My problem isn't even with that.A skilled team with a fair amount of speed forced to drive it to the outside and behind the net on a vast majority of rushes is my problem.This is an Av problem,not a league one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheels22 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Whether* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Just so you realize, the dump and chase with an aggressive fore check is exactly how LA plays. They just played harder than we did. In fact, it is the bread and butter of most teams as it prevents a rush going back the other way without support. If you try to carry it in and lose the puck, you have five players heading one way with insufficient time to back check as it is a reaction turn while the opposing team has five players heading back towards your defensive zone.. With a dump and chase, you have the time to back check if necessary as the puck is far ahead of you in a line of sight but if you get in ahead of the defense, you have time to set up, if you don't, you have time to get back on defense. It is a higher percentage defensive play and most coaches in the NHL prefer that tactic. When was the last time a run and gun team made it far in the playoffs? Boston played dump and chase, and it got them the cup. It's not the dump and chase system that cost us. It's the execution of the players once we got the puck and their positioning in the offensive zone. To beat a goalie like Quick, we need rebound goals and the Canucks were boxed out and beaten to the rebound puck time and time again. They simply did not out battle LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Doctor Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Stay, for sure. Best coach in team history and can win with our core group next year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I agree he is like Lou, is great for most of the season but has his problems at times. Overall I say he should get one more year to see how he works out. One of the problems is that he is bad at developing new players people have to understand how that will affect us in the future. Look at the wings, they are a good team that always developed players and stayed good because of that. If AV can't work this into his coaching I say he should go no matter how the wins look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryanstorm Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Everyone is posting the same thread, and the answer is still NO. Why would we? We're content, just had a bad first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooBie604 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 AV's dump and chase system is a littel different thouhg. He does not use all 4 lines for this. His 3rd and 4th lines are required to dump and change versus dump and chase. This gives up possession with no chance of offense as it takes time to change the line and by then the puck is coming back theother way. Malhotra seldom is seen in teh offensive zone...wint he face off, clear the zone, dump and change are his marching orders. Most teams that are successful (Detroit, LA Boston etc) roll 4 lines with the same strategy that wears down defenders. With AV 2 of our 4 lines are giving the other team a free ride. He errs on teh side of caution which puts tremendous pressure on the top 6 to score and makes it easier for opposing coaches to match his top 6. He has relied on talent to produce offense despite his system not because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmccomb Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 When did the Canucks dump and chase this year? That is in fact one the biggest reasons we lost to L.A, a lack of chasing. But yeah I agree, team needs a coaching change. I agree with the post above, you spend the last 15 games trying to figure out line combos, and so you find one that works and then you don't use it. Lapierre was misplaced during the series. The lack of playing the style that was successful last year with lots of pinching from the D and keep sustained pressure in the opposing zone, with playing tentative and playing too defensively. At the end of the day AV is a defensive coach, coaching a team that isn't defensive. Good 2 way team maybe, but he lacks the ability to change things when the offense isn't coming, instead he reverts to playing too much defense and then there's no way the offense will come. You also can't expect the other team will never try to counter you. I'm really sick of hearing that the team isn't 'executing', the simple answer is that teams know what you're going to do and you weren't prepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckswillwinitall Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 go, new energy is a need at this time. We can stay with AV and sink or Go with new energy and get a new coach to light a spark back under the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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