sampy Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Does it completely escape everyone that he really never had a chance to get acquainted with our systems and playing in Van? I mean, really now. How many players, coming over at the trade deadline, can just slot right into their new team without a hitch? (Hint: d@mn few) Especially as a 21 yr. old kid who has never even played a full season in the NHL. Good god people, give him a chance to train with us all summer and go through training camp before you pass judgement. Chr!st, even Kesler and Booth need to work together in the off-season, and they had most of the year to figure stuff out, but during the season you really never have much time between games to even practice basic systems, never mind adjust to a new team. I can almost guarantee that Kassian was told to just be defensively sound, and get a feel for things. He cant develop his own style and be comfortable playing here until he can allow himself to relax and not be worried so much about fracking up a game for his new team. EDIT: sp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyzer Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Let him have more ice time playing with the Sedin's. If we got a Bertuzzi in the making here...we struck it rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBCanucks Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Does it completely escape everyone that he really never had a chance to get acquainted with our systems and playing in Van? I mean, really now. How many players, coming over at the trade deadline, can just slot right into their new team without a hitch? (Hint: d@mn few) Especially as a 21 yr. old kid who has never even played a full season in the NHL. Good god people, give him a chance to train with us all summer and go through training camp before you pass judgement. Chr!st, even Kesler and Booth need to work together in the off-season, and they had most of the year to figure stuff out, but during the season you really never have much time between games to even practice basic systems, never mind adjust to a new team. I can almost guarantee that Kassian was told to just be defensively sound, and get a feel for things. He cant develop his own style and be comfortable playing here until he can allow himself to relax and not be worried so much about fracking up a game for his new team. EDIT: sp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_man08 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I've seen a lot of ragging on Zack Kassian on this forum which is unwarranted. Dealing Hodgson may seem questionable right now, and the two will be compared for the rest of their careers, but there are many reasons Mike Gillis pulled the trigger on this deal. First off, Kassian is only 21 years old with little experience in the American Hockey League. Hodgson spent most of the 2010-2011 season in the American Hockey League at the age of 20 and 21, and when he did play for the Canucks, he was not great. Next year I feel that Kassian needs to spend some time in the AHL getting 1st or 2nd line minutes to aid his development, and when he does come up to the NHL, he has the potential to be an impact player as soon as next season. Fans just need to be patient, as power forwards can take a few years to develop. Fans have been demanding a power forward since the departure of Todd Bertuzzi, and Gillis delivered by trading for one of the best young power forward prospects in hockey. Don't get me wrong, I liked Hodgson a lot as a Canuck and believe that he will be a great player, but I think that Kassian can also be a fantastic player for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodyHodgson's #1fan Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Can not wait for the next couple of seasons so people can finally stop using these excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr4ilerP4rk Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Zack Failssian. (at least so far) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCammer Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Its not an issue with Kassian but it was the wrong time to make the deal, Hodgson was producing was more NHL ready and we removed that for a guy who is at best a yr or 2 away . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nd84 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 But how many will actually make the NHL ? Right now i see Jensen but no other forwards stand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 You say we need to be patient. I say as fans we've all been patient enough. If this guy isn't going to help us win a cup NEXT YEAR, then we shouldn't have traded for him. The core of our teams window is closing as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 The reason I don't buy this argument is that Dale Weise adjusted fairly quickly to our system and was able to be a staple on the 4th line for most of the season. As a 4th line player it's not Weise's job to score goals but he was able to contribute offensively from time to time with very limited ice time and when he wasn't chipping in offensively he was a strong physical presence. Kassian however, was like a fish out of water. His hits were minimal, he had trouble keeping up with the other players on the ice, and didn't look like he knew where he should be at any given time while on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono2009 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 kassian will be golden within 2 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 He assumed that I was one of the people who were calling hodgson a bust. This is a forum where people can share their thoughts and opinions, why do I have to know how to evaluate a player? I'm a fan not a scout. Anyways, I've watched a lot of buffalo games this past season as I had pominville and ehrhoff in my hockey pool. Kassian got called up around november(maybe early december I can't remember) and looked pretty decent. He was throwing his weight around and was hard to knock off the puck. After about 5 games or so he kind of vanished. He started getting more ice-time but wasn't really doing anything with it. No driving to net hard or anything, just playing a passive game. He even got time on the second line, with all the teams injuries that were taking place, and just couldn't do anything with it. As the season went on his minutes went down again and then the trade deadline came and he came to vancouver. Other than maybe 2 games, he was average or virtually non-existent. Now the thing that bugs me about him is that if he was truly what everyone on here thinks he is why did buffalo trade him? A great future power forward is much harder to find than a playmaking center. Buffalo had tyler ennis who could have fit in the 2nd line center spot. I realize that he is young and might just need time to get used to the NHL. I have to admit he looked really good in the beginning of the season. However, sometimes you just have this gut feeling about a person and that tells me he is going to be 3rd liner. That is why, to me, it is so annoying rreading these posts about how he needs a few more years to be the next bertuzzi as my gut tells me it's not going to happen. This is why I can't wait till a few years go by and people can move on as to me they are just wasting their time thinking he is more than he is. I can't stress enough how much I hope I am wrong, I do not want him to fail I just see him failing(even though playing on the 3rd line isnt realing failing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 You say we need to be patient. I say as fans we've all been patient enough. If this guy isn't going to help us win a cup NEXT YEAR, then we shouldn't have traded for him. The core of our teams window is closing as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 The reason I don't buy this argument is that Dale Weise adjusted fairly quickly to our system and was able to be a staple on the 4th line for most of the season. As a 4th line player it's not Weise's job to score goals but he was able to contribute offensively from time to time with very limited ice time and when he wasn't chipping in offensively he was a strong physical presence. Kassian however, was like a fish out of water. His hits were minimal, he had trouble keeping up with the other players on the ice, and didn't look like he knew where he should be at any given time while on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehamburglar Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Kassian advantages relative to Hodgson 1 - speed 2 - size (even as a 21 yr old, the difference in the play of Lapierre was notable - team-mates play bigger with him in lineup) 3- character/team-player 4- fits a more vital/needed role 5- will not need to be sheltered defensively - responsible and effective two-way player at a young age 6- can play up and down the lineup effectively 7- has an extra year on his RFA contract at just over half what Hodgson was making 8- does not have an annoying agent who creates ridiculous ice-time controversies and will demand a Stamkosesque contract 9- is not the most over-rated young player in Canucks history and has not already been projected the next captaincy. Hodgson's advantages 1- scored a nice goal in Boston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Power Forwards like Kassian stick up for their leaders and teammates who they play with all season. Once he's a full time Canuck he'll be making more of an impact because he cares about everyone on the team. Since his draft year he was a Buffalo Sabre, hard to flip the switch and be a heart and soul Canuck all of a sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surtur Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 I like the Kid.. but i liked CoHo also... i hope Kassian can be an impact player next year and the years to come. A line of Burrows Lappy and Kassian would be pretty good (obviously this is after we trade for Iginla......and put him with the twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_9 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 You say we need to be patient. I say as fans we've all been patient enough. If this guy isn't going to help us win a cup NEXT YEAR, then we shouldn't have traded for him. The core of our teams window is closing as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_9 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Great thread, lots of people seem to forget that this guy is only 21 and has already got the frame of an NHL PWF. 6'4" 230+lbs That's a BIG 21 y.o. Other than mayybe Tyler Ennis (Myers) there aren't a lot of young guys (by young I mean 23 or younger) Who can boast the strength and size that Zach can. Also, does anyone remember him on draft day? His favorite player - TODD BERTUZZI He's got the fire and drive to be a dominant NHLer, and has been highly successful at every level that he's played. Top that off with a perfect role model in big BERT and this kid looks good. GIVE HIM TIME and he will impress Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Garret's moustache Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 I don't mind the trade, I just don't like the timing of it... I think we need help now so we can win now. I don't doubt the potential of Zack Kassian... I just would rather have saved this move for after a). After we won a cup or . after our window had closed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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