Pears Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Since the Flyers need some D, and the Canucks need a big RW, would either teams consider this trade? To Vancouver: Jakub Voracek (RFA rights) To Philadelphia: Kevin Bieksa + 2012 2nd (Van) I think the value is there. Bieksa can be a top pair d man which again Philly needs without Pronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 I would do that Voracek would be great to get. We should have got him when he was with the Blue Jackets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 It is hard for fans to imagine exactly what Bieksa brings to the team. Bieksa is a dressing room leader, he's there for his teammates (on AND off the ice), he's class act (mindcheck, supporting RYP, etc) and he's one of the few players who gives it his all every night despite his big contract. I know sometimes he has off/bad games, but what he brings in general to the team is too much to give up. Voracek would be a great addition, but not at the expense of Kevin Bieksa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biasbieksa Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Then our D core is much thinner, and team toughness is down. Voracek has played 1 year in the nhl? Plus the risk of him not exceeding here. He plans on a high pace pure offensive game, with Giroux. The most offensive team in the league. Call me bias, but seems risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbox Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Mezaros - Kubina, Timmonen - Carle, Grossman - Cobourn plus Pronger. I don't Phi needs any more d men, unless they lose some to UFAs (Likely Carle or Kubina) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 6, 2012 Author Share Posted May 6, 2012 Mezaros - Kubina, Timmonen - Carle, Grossman - Cobourn plus Pronger. I don't Phi needs any more d men, unless they lose some to UFAs (Likely Carle or Kubina) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbox Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 If Pronger is forced to retire due to his concussion, (which I doubt) and Philly loses the said two UFA's you posted, I could see this happening. I'd be ok with losing Juice if Tanev and Connauton are 100% NHL ready next year. Here is what my proposed roster would look like: Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Booth - Kesler - Voracek Moen - Kelly - Gaustad Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen Edler - Suter Hamhuis - Stuart Tanev - Connauton Schneider Lack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossram Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 I would love to have Voracek. I like how he plays and he is a good playmaker, which is what we need on the 2nd line. However your proposal is a huge overpayment. Bieksa alone is more than enough. Philly may be forced to trade him anyway because they are right up against the cap ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 It is hard for fans to imagine exactly what Bieksa brings to the team. Bieksa is a dressing room leader, he's there for his teammates (on AND off the ice), he's class act (mindcheck, supporting RYP, etc) and he's one of the few players who gives it his all every night despite his big contract. I know sometimes he has off/bad games, but what he brings in general to the team is too much to give up. Voracek would be a great addition, but not at the expense of Kevin Bieksa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BuckFoston Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 It is hard for fans to imagine exactly what Bieksa brings to the team. Bieksa is a dressing room leader, he's there for his teammates (on AND off the ice), he's class act (mindcheck, supporting RYP, etc) and he's one of the few players who gives it his all every night despite his big contract. I know sometimes he has off/bad games, but what he brings in general to the team is too much to give up. Voracek would be a great addition, but not at the expense of Kevin Bieksa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 I like Voracek, but we overpay. Vorcak was moved along with a 1st and a 3rd for Carter in the last deal, so that'd be like us saying we'd need to move Bieksa, a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd to get Carter. Way too much. Add to that Voracek's career high as a forward is 50 points, while Bieksa's as a defenceman is 44 points. Not that much different that we should have to add so much for a team needing D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messien10 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Voracek would be perfect for the second line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 What games have you been watching? It should state that sometimes this year he has had good games, but for the most part was pretty terrible. Nor did he really drop the gloves when it counted against LA & I don't much care about his scrums with Klesla and the likes. So no real physical presence and pretty bad D. If I had a dollar for every time I heard "Bieksa turn over" this season I could quit my job. I do agree that he is great off the ice, but it's not worth the money. A good counsellor would be much cheaper if that's what they need. He is not top 4 material on this team and won't be much better elsewhere. If any team went for that kind of deal they would get the short end of the stick. Nor will Gillis trade a player he just signed a year ago to a big contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Then our D core is much thinner, and team toughness is down. Voracek has played 1 year in the nhl? Plus the risk of him not exceeding here. He plans on a high pace pure offensive game, with Giroux. The most offensive team in the league. Call me bias, but seems risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBernard Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 How about ballard and our 1st for Voracek and their 1st. We move up in the draft they get another great twd. (we all know ballard thrives in the east anyways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 The Canucks defense is soft enough without trading the only one that can fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 How about ballard and our 1st for Voracek and their 1st. We move up in the draft they get another great twd. (we all know ballard thrives in the east anyways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Liszt Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Ballard's value is in the toilet. No one is going to want to move back in the draft and give up a 22 year old top 6 forward for an overpaid defender with 3 more years who may not even crack the team. The East argument doesn't make any sense. He played 2 seasons in the East in the weakest division in hockey at the time. Before that he played in the West on the Coyotes and he was a much stronger player on the Yotes then he was with the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Bieksa has a NTC so it wont happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaunio Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 How about ballard and our 1st for Voracek and their 1st. We move up in the draft they get another great twd. (we all know ballard thrives in the east anyways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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