arsenalian Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Due to Luongo's control of where he goes, our choices are limited. I think his desire is to be close to his family in Florida. For whatever reason, Toronto has been speculated to be another desired destination. Lou's want to be out of Vancouver could be just the beginning of, what could be an interesting offseason for the Canucks. With the Canucks best interests in mind, I think Toronto is the best trading partner for us. Their 5th over all pick would be an amazing pick up and would open options for MG. They have a couple of roster players that we could use, one of which I would be keenly interested in. I feel there are a couple of options for a deal that could happen. First Option To Toronto: Roberto Luongo Kevin Connautin Anton Rodin Our 1st rnd pick 2012 To Vancouver: Joffrey Lupul 5th over all pick 2012 I believe this is a fair deal. Roberto Luongo is an elite goaltender. He's not going to go cheaply. They need a clear #1. They also get a young forward that I don't think is going to get a shot here any time soon and a top defensive prospect in Connauton and still get to pick in the first round. We get a forward who is more of a passer and will feed Kesler as well as a top pick. Nice. Second Scenario To Toronto Roberto Luongo Vancouver's 1st rnd pick 2012 Vancouver's 2nd rnd pick 2013 To Vancouver: Clarke MacArthur Toronto's 5th ovr all pick Again Toronto gets their #1 goalie. They still pick in the first round and they get a second pick next year. Although MacArthur is not as desirable as Lupul, he's still a good forward I think would fit well with Kesler and we again get the fifth over all pick. I, personally, would rather get one great prospect than two so so ones. Agai, Toronto needs that #1 goaltender and Lou's not gonna go cheap. I would like to see Vancouver use the pick to get Griffin Reinhart (if he's still available). A big bruising defenceman with a scoring touch. Sounds good to me. If he goes before Vancouver picks, they go with option B. A deal for Weber's rights. I think either deal is realistic due to each teams needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorrcoq Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Almost nobody that is "comparable" to an established star ever lives up to that comparison, so why even spew such nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo1970 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Yuck. That is way too much to give up for Lupul and a pick: an top goaltender, what's touted as one of our best D prospects, one of our better forward prospects, and our 1st round pick for Lupul (I thought everyone wanted to get tougher?) who has always been a streaky player and their pick? Yikes, we're not a re-building team people. I don't understand everyone's fascination on here with aquiring picks and throwing rookies in the lineup?? We've got a couple years, at least, with this core and some decent prospects coming through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Philidephia had a good model with Richards. Have a world class prospect ready to replace him (Giroux, or equivilent Schneider), get a youthful physical body in Wayne Simmonds to replace him in the lin up (filling a different hole in a different position) and take a world class prospect in Brayden Schenn so you remain competitive for years. Plus a pick! Mike Richards would have been 95% as hard to trade with his reputation as locker room trouble balancing Lou's age.Philly made similar deals for Pronger and Forsburg, they were familiar with the cost. Its a historically established value for top players. A similar deal, or close to it, should be possible. If anything, having Schneider is better than giving up a skater as a star, as only 1 goalie plays at one time. Philly still could use Richards had they not cleared him to make room for Bryzgalov. And Bry'z failure says the goalie is even more important than a skater, reinforcing Lou's value. Last, back to us. We have stars up front. We need (preferably) that that world class prospect be a Bogosian type player on D. If the prospect was not as strong, the serviceable body could be a big physical right D & that top pick would be great value as an alternate. Time to improve and reload! I'd rather try and win a cup with the pieces we have right now (Sedins, Luongo, Hamhuis, Edler, Kesler, Bieksa) than try and get younger and aim to peak in a few years time (Kassian, Tanev, Schneider, Schroeder). If the Canucks are going to win a cup right now it'll be with our current core, not our future core, so we should try and be complementing them. Getting a future stud defenceman in Murray will not help them now - he will most likely not see much time in the first few seasons of play. Very rarely do young defencemen shine in their first few years. If anything we should aim to get younger up front. Rookies are leading the way for NYR and NJD right now, which is where we really needed to keep Hodgson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenalian Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I knew when I proposed this that it was giving up a lot. But, in my eyes, the short and long term goals have been addressed. Joffrey Lupul is an effective playmaker. He averaged more than a point a game last year on a crappy team. He's a year older than Kesler and still has a lot of good years left in him. I'm hoping Nicholas Jensen gets a chance next season. I think he' got Calder Trophy potential. Putting him on a line with Kesler and Lupul would, in my mind, be amazing. The kid's produced at every level and it doesn't look to stop. Getting the 5th over all pick is important as it creates a win win situation. Rumors have been rampant about Weber wanting out of Nashville. If this is true, Nashville will not let him go cheap. They do not have a first round pick. Talent wise this is a shallow draft; being in the top ten would be important. The fifth over all pick would fill that need. Acquiring Lupul would make Booth expendable. Given the unrest created by Radulov and Kostitsyn and their lack of commitment, an offensive team player would be attractive. If this isn't enough, then I would be perfectly comfortable drafting Griffin Reinhart and see if Weber becomes a UFA next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdcanucks02 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Sorry I stopped reading when you said this draft year was as good if not better than 2003 and then included the list that includes 7 stanley cup rings already. Try again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANGO Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 If we are following the Detroit model, then yes. It's a long shot waiting for the 26th pick to develop, so this is the only way to get high draft picks. We need to move pieces that don't quite fit in the line up for fresh talent, that can later be molded into the pieces we need in the future. This is the sustainability that has given Detroit longevity at the top of the standings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KING ALBERTS Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 pfft... murray shouldnt be a top 5 - he choked so hard in the junior tourney they would have been better off with a cardboard cutout on skates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehamburglar Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Say a forward is what we draft as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows53 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Lol don't compare the 2003 draft class to this years. Not even relatively close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 As of right now, our line up looks like this Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Booth - Kesler - ______ Higgins - _____ - ______ Kassian - Lapierre - Hansen Edler - _____ Hamhuis - Bieksa Tanev - ______ Luongo/Schneider I'd say we trade Luongo, Raymond's rights, Ballard, Sauvé and our 2nd this year to Columbus (if they're on Luongo's list) for Nash and their first. Then flip Booth, Malhotra, and another prospect or two and a pick to Pittsburgh for Jordan Staal. Sign Parise and Suter is still possible Sedin - Sedin - Nash <----- Other teams would be thinking, what did we do to get violently assaulted? Parise - Staal - Kesler <----- It's just not fair Higgins - Schroeder - Burrows Kassian - Lapierre - Hansen Edler - Suter Hamhuis - Bieksa Tanev - Connauton Schneider Lack And then I wake up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glove Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I think it's incredibly unlikely for the same reasons I would be very surprised to see us making a deal for players like Evander Kane, Zach Parise, or Rick Nash. The price is too high, and we quite simply don't need a top 5 pick or any of these particular players (not that people are talking about these players, they're just examples). Sure, if MG can perform some magic and somehow trade spare parts for a superstar, then great... but if we're somehow able to do that, there are probably even better options. We don't need a MAJOR change, and it's likely to do more harm than good. I still find it hilarious seeing people throwing in Raymond and Ballard as part of any deal they put forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdubuya Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 My apologies if this had already been said. But if this years draft is ANYTHING like 2003 wouldn't it be smarter to keep our later pick and snag a future perennial allstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I would be shocked if luo would go to Columbus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooker Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I like Dumba and i the draft is as "deep" as 03, then it should not matter where we draft because the turnout no matter where you draft will be sensational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 To answer OP's question, probably not. We have really good prospects at the moment up front and at the back. Also if we try and get a higher pick then we'll likely move a player or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 No, we are trying to win now, a young defenceman wouldn't help us this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulpro Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Are you really this much of a stickler and a nit-picker for perfection? Unless your stupid, it's painfully obvious what I'm trying to say. Nothing like these nosy literary critics trolling around on CDC. Everybody makes mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkpoet Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Griffin Reinhart - (comparable to Shea Weber): http://eliteprospect...hp?player=41183 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerines Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I'll take this kid, only because of his name. Pronounce RYE-IN-HEART like WHISKEY ON THE BRAIN = JOHNNY CANUCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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