Toews Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Can't we be greedy and have both :D Hamhuis/Bieksa Edler/Garrison Ballard/Allen If both were signed Ballard would most likely be moved though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Yeah because keeping Ballard will really lead to us losing games. The Canucks will lose games regardless no one can have a perfect season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion Phaneuf Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Why? Edler - ???? Hamhuis - Bieksa Tanev - Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronning4center Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 That 2nd pairing would be easy to get through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronning4center Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versace Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 If we can get him or Garrison I think we have a pretty good D core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Liszt Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 If we can get him or Garrison I think we have a pretty good D core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucksbiggestfan Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Yeah, so you're going to force imperfections upon the team, players taking up cap space just for gigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsedin33 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 We would def have to overpay, but overpayment is required sometimes. Go get him MG!! Work your magic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks3322 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 he's exactly what we need a another shutdown d-man who has a mean streak and blocks shots if he can play on the right side pair him up with Edler .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my boy lapierre Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 i hope we get allen back we need a big tough Dman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Garrison is a Ballard type player with a better stick, but hopefully one who could be signed for less than $4.2 mill. I believe there is a serviceable place for him. Somebody to run our 2knd PP. For a depth defender who can provide size, toughness & the ability to jump into the Top 4 if somebody was injured (the role we need of a guy like Allan), I believe there are better guys out there. See Souray, Sheldon or Scott Hannan. Plus these are guys who play the Right side. Geez, Allan was just traded for Sergei Samsanov last year. Allen >> Garrison. We have enough points on the back end. What we don't have is a big mean stay at home defenseman. Would rather see: Hamhuis Bieksa Edler Allen Ballard Tanev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsey Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 he would be a decent pick up although, we really should focus on our top 6. Averaging less than 2 goals a game in the past 2 playoff series is unacceptable for a 'playoff contender/favourite'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Allen is exactly what this team needs - a big, physical shutdown defenceman with experience who is a calming influence on the blueline for younger players. I still think if we had picked him up at the deadline and maybe another depth forward/defenceman, we would have ousted the Kings. Our "mobile" bullcrap excuse for a defence is the biggest reason we've been ousted these last 2 playoffs, not because of lack of scoring or goaltending. It all boils down to defence. Offence starts from the back-end, your forwards can't score if you can't get the puck out of your own zone, and when they finally do have some sustained pressure it was often a stupid pinch or bad play by one of our many small, defensively-retarted defencemen like Bieksa, Ballard, Edler or Tanev that lead to odd-man rushes the other way countless times which, in the playoffs, cost us our Cup chances against Boston and L.A. What we need that every Cup winning team over the last half a decade has had is a big, physical, mean stay-at-home-defenceman. Hamhuis is our only shutdown guy and he's tiny. Shutdown-style defences win Cups, not mobile offensive units. Just look at the Kings and Bruins' championship title defences. They each had 2 offensive defencemen and 4 shutdown, big, physical towers (Chara + Kaberle/Doughty + Voynov as the only puck movers). Then look at the Canucks' pathetic excuse for a defence - our only shutdown defenceman is Hamhuis, Edler is our only really big defenceman who gets icetime (Alberts is for some reason in the press-box when we need his size in the playoffs) and the rest are tiny, risky offensive guys who are not Cup-winning-material. This is what a playoff-ready defence looks like: Edler - Allen Hamhuis - Bieksa Alberts - Rome Tanev/Salo Suddenly, we have 2 offensive defencemen in Edler and Bieksa and 4 solid, physical players. I know I've criticized Rome and Alberts in the past, but they're our 2 most physical defencemen and if they play simple defence as opposed to risking offensive opportunities, we will win a Cup with them. Of course it all starts with coaching and our defensive coaching mentality of "risky pinches" and "jumping up in the rush" has to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHL Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Hamhuis Bieksa Edler Garrison Ballard Allen OR Hamhuis Suter Edler Garrison Ballard Bieksa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenalian Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I'd definitely like to see Allen back here. He took a long time developing, and I felt he was just starting to come into his own when he left here. I was actually disappointed to see him go at the time. Now he'd be a great addition to the team, solid, stay at home kind of guy, who does have a bit of a mean streak, at times. Definitely a good clear the net kind of guy that we seem to be lacking at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Line Juggler Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Sign Bryan Allen- 2 yrs @ 5 million Sign Jason Garrison- 2 yrs @ 4 million Sign Sami Salo- 1 yr @ 1.75 million Hamhuis-Bieksa Edler-Garrison Ballard-Allen Salo Tanev Salo rotates in and out of the line-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I like the concept of a guy like Allan. I'm concerned with his speed, and he's another lefty hand shot. The UFA that matches Allan's description that helps the most is Sheldon Souray. Same speed,big right handed shot but actually mean as opposed to just willing. And much better puck handling so he's capable of helping our PP or jumping into the Top 4 for stretches. Except one is a plug defenseman who has trouble in his own zone, and the other is a steady stay at home defenceman with good positioning. Your logic seems to be that because they're both big defenseman, that they are somehow the same player? Not really a good argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Good luck demoting Bieksa to third pairing duty. If you're going to do that to him, at least have the decency to trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Trade Ballard for picks/prospects. Hamhuis-Bieksa Edler-Garrison Allen-Salo Extras: Tanev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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