Quaz Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 If Raymond gets 20+ goals this year, it will most likely come at the cost of being oblivious to the players around him while taking hundreds of low percentage shots on net. I don't really care if he does return to his former self to be honest. He isn't strong enough on his skates to be effective in the playoffs. Even management is dissatisfied enough to take HIM to arbitration. My only hope is that by having his salary drop to a little more than 2 million makes trading him that much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 As we all know Raymond is going to arbitration and I think his contract will be cut to $1 Million - $1.5 a year and if he does go get rewarded that, would you be fine with him playing the 4th line all season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Cap space brings more to this team than Mason Raymond, I'd like to see you deny that to my face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 How many times do we have to say that Raymond's injury is not an excuse. His production dipped before coming off an injury. Let's look at Max Pacioretty. He came off of a similar injury. Comes in plays 79 games. Gets 33 goals and 32 assist. Raymond? Comes back plays 55 games 10 goals 10 assists. On pace for 15 and 15 over 82 games. Is injury cannot be an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 If Raymond gets 20+ goals this year, it will most likely come at the cost of being oblivious to the players around him while taking hundreds of low percentage shots on net. I don't really care if he does return to his former self to be honest. He isn't strong enough on his skates to be effective in the playoffs. Even management is dissatisfied enough to take HIM to arbitration. My only hope is that by having his salary drop to a little more than 2 million makes trading him that much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Gillis is doing what must be done. He has to moneyball Raymond as his asset locker is in disarray. I hope Raymond ends up in Edmonton or Calgary so he can play at home and hopefully,have a story book ending to his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounoush Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I like to think we are lowering his contract cost to make him more appealing to other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeywoot Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I'd love to see Mason Raymond return to form. I don't expect, but I wouldn't be surprised either. He came off a pretty substantial injury. If Kesler gets an injury pass (from some people at least), I think MayRay gets one also. He only did back related rehab, rather than a summer of strength training. An already weak player, got weaker. Its pretty obvious why he had that clusterf--k of a year. I think his typical production is probably like 2010-11. ES more or less the same as the previous year, with signicantly less PP time. My biggest gripe with Raymond, is that we have too many similar, "2nd/3rd line tweeners" in Raymond, Booth, Higgins, Hansen. Hansen is much more physical, Booth is willing to cut to the net and score in the dirty areas, Higgins is grittier and more consistent. Since our first line is already soft, our group of 2nd and 3rd line wingers could stand to add some size and physicality. Its for this reason that I could see Raymond being the odd-man out. Even if he does return to form somewhat, he doesn't bring enough to the table. His offensive production isn't head and shoulders above the rest to make up for his lack of physicality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I'd really like to see Raymond get 20-25 goals playing on the 2nd line next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFanMike Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Let him sign his contract, let gillis cut it in half, then trade him to a different team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realnucksfan2010 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Holy crap, take it easy on Raymond!!!! He just came back from a serious injury (broken back), i mean the the way everyone is ripping him a new one you all make it sound like no big deal! He has been working out and getting stronger, i say sign the guy put him with Kes and higgy and lets see what a new and healthy Raymond can do (would only sign him for one year). The fact that he came back from his injury and was put right into the line up speeks volumes of his character, His speed is a huge asset, the opposing team's def backs right off when Raymond turns on the jets, this gives guys like higgy, booth, and kes more space and time, lets give him the benafit of the doubt shall we!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Let him sign his contract, let gillis cut it in half, then trade him to a different team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 do you think Raymond could play on LA's fourth line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafizzle Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Loving the third option. If not that then either on any other team in the league or in the press box for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Keith Ballard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaz Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 don't say Manny brings better defence than Raymond - he was one of our worst minus players all season on a team that dominated the +/- once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaches Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Wow we don't like to give any players around here a second chance... I bet Raymond gets 20+ goals this year. Juggling between the 2nd and 3rd line. Flame away, but I bet it will happen. He bounces back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaches Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Wow we don't like to give any players around here a second chance... I bet Raymond gets 20+ goals this year. Juggling between the 2nd and 3rd line. Flame away, but I bet it will happen. He bounces back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Problem with this is that Manny leads the team in short handed time on ice as well as having him take the majority of all defensive zone face-offs. His +/- is a product of AV using him in a way where the opposition is most likely to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Well certainly not the 4th line. He's not fit for that kind of play. 2nd or 3rd line would work best for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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