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Or maybe that's what exactly happened when they used 9/11-caused fear to do it to Afghanistan and Iraq. No wmd's anywhere, though. And no Bin Laden delivery for quite awhile.

Plenty of oil in them thar hills, though?

Not sure if you're truly this naive

Or just trolling.

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Please consider the cost of war, and NOT just in the monitary literal sense. As someone else already mentioned, the US will not just come in bomb the country and leave, that wouldn't explain why they are still in Iraq + Afghanistan. There are rebuilding phases, democratic transition, (which could actually result in the intensification of resentment towards the west), a population of over 74 million (in comparison to 35mill in both Afghanistan and Iraq), regime change and these are just some of the costs to consider. I don't think Americans (general population) even WANT to go through another war. Personally, I don't anticipate a war against Iran anytime soon, especially, with the US elections coming up.

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Or maybe that's what exactly happened when they used 9/11-caused fear to do it to Afghanistan and Iraq. No wmd's anywhere, though. And no Bin Laden delivery for quite awhile.

Plenty of oil in them thar hills, though?

Not sure if you're truly this naive

Or just trolling.

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Yep, there isn't going to be a US war anytime soon, too bad for you war mongers who wish another war. Besides, the idiots who think that the US could just come into Iran and kill people and innocent civilians should think about 9/11. You guys don't want another 9/11, do you? So stop being such hypocritical idiots because US attacking another country without any reason will ensure that terrorism will happen even more frequently and might hit home again. No one seems to forget 9/11 but everyone seems to forget the dirty things that US does.

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uh, i wouldnt say that everyone seems to forget the dirty things the US does. On the contrary, i would say everyone seems to keep a list on anything the US does. Guess it all comes down to perspective. I can easily say everyone seems to forget all the good things the US does.

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woah dude, do some reasearch, everyone knows America is superior to everyone. No one will argue against this. Despite having the same language, culture, religion etc etc, these 2 countries (Iraq and Iran) are totally different. Iran is much more organized as a government, and their army is much much much stronger then Iraq's. Population wise, Iran is also 3 times Iraq, and their army 4 times bigger then Iraq's initial count. Iraq had 250 000 strong, but only 20 000 of them actually fought, as most of them defected , ran away or surrendered.

Iran has over a million including it's reserves and 1 in 6 Iranian civilian is a paramilatery. If America decides to attack Iran by Land, they can win, but the country will not support such war, as this war will be similar to the disaster that happened in Vietnam. Sure America had air power, but it was the guerilla warfare that got to the U.S. It's a pointless war. Even if the same amount of countries in Afghanistan (nato) decides to go after Iran, Iran will eventually hold off the invasion. The country is very united.

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So true, if US did attack Iran, it would unite the government and Iranian people to fight against US. It would actually be the opposite effect of what US wants to accomplish and it would actually strengthen the Iranian support for the current regime since the government would use the US attack as an excuse to paint US as the real villains. Right now people of Iran aren't happy with the government but a US attack on Iranian soil would change that in a millisecond. Although, If US ever did attack Iran, it wouldn't be because of regime change, it would probably be because of oil and Iran's nuclear program.

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Most people cannot answer this question unless they have an understanding of how the various contracts are structured.

The contracts are governed by the host countries petroleum regulations which are in turned governed by the hosts petroleum law which is ultimately governed by the hosts constitution.

For example Mexicos constitution (Article 27(6)) states: "the nation shall carry out the exploration of petroleum and hydrocarbons in any of it physical forms." Regulatory Law Art. 6 states: "Compensation must ALWAYS be in cash and under no circumstance may a percentage of the products or a participation in the results of the exploitation be granted in compensation for the works or services."

The form of agreement that gives up the most control to companies is the concession agreement. Basically a company buys the rights to that land and oil and pays royalties (taxes) to the govnt.

Concessions are most commonly used in places like the US, Canada, UK and Australia.

The govnt gets royalties and taxes but the company "gets the oil".

At the other end you have service contracts where the govnt retains full control and the company most certainly does not "get the oil".

You also have Production Sharing Contracts where the state retains the right to explore and the production has shared ownership. The company does not "get the oil".

Iraq uses a hybrid approach so the idea that the US goes in a "gets the oil is farcical".

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oh, i know how oil exploration and extraction in foreign countries work. I dont think many others understand though. Its not like the US can just go and steal Iraq's oil. China, Germany, and Russia received Iraqi oil contracts.....not the U.S.

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stop meddling to what extent? I would love to limit our foreign affairs and not involve ourselves on such a global stage. But that also would have a major global impact. Taiwan, Israel, South Korea....Serbia, Kosovo, Georgia (Russia)...what would happen or would of happened without US meddling? There are just sooooo many angles to this type of discussion.

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It wasnt directed as you per se just the muppets who keep parroting that the US goes to war to "get oil".

And yes the US among others has contracts in Iraq. The way it works is that said companies assume the risk of investing capital in a relatively unstable country.

If things go pear shaped its the govnt who wins, at least when it comes to legal rulings so again the risks are high.

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Where was any other country? Those events didn't affect another major power enough for them to act. If you have a vested interest in something, of course you are going to respond. Who really cares about some small country getting invaded that has nothing to do with us? The answer is no one, that is why we allow it to happen.

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