The Sedin's 6th Sense Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Just wondered about this and thought it'd be a good discussion to have on here so here it is: We all know the Canucks are keen on bringing in "character" players, by drafting, trading, signings...by any means of bringing in a player, our organization wants these type of players. You'll always here "he's a character player" when someone new is brought in, and Gillis and AV say it all the time when they describe the new guys. Check out when MG talked about drafting Gaunce and signing Garrison, they're both "character" players. MG describes it as a person who is a leader on and of the ice, can help teammates and try's his hardest. Well, I think there's a synonym for that: someone who has skill but can't stand up for players. Now don't take this is an insult, I love the character guys we have here but it seems all of them are afraid in getting in opponents faces. Brown is a leader too, but he isn't a character guy according to MG's description, but I think we need to move away from that a bit and get guys who are nasty and can take that side out when needed. Few players we have that are character players and can stand up are: Kassian, Bieksa. Lapierre, Burrows, Kesler do it at times and for depth players, we need our big players doing it. Our team seems to get manhandled in any series we play and most the guys watch our guys get hurt. It's not how the Cup is won now and you have to adapt to the play as time goes on and structure your team around current winners otherwise you'll be left behind when tw challenge approaches. Check out the past 2-3 winners, all the teams had skilled players but also had key players that were nasty and dirty. We need that to win otherwise we won't succeed much. The refs has also adapted and give lots of lee-way after a whistle and I find it funny when our players look at refs and say, "wtf, no call!? He clearly hit me illegally". The leagues changed, the refs changed and in overal, the games changed so I was wondering if you guys agree or disagree that we should step aside from getting "character" guys, aka, players that got skill but don't stand up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFanMike Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Every team needs character guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
our time is now Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 We need skill upfront character defense men or goalies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMacNamedDre Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 we need savages, not Mason Raymond butterflies flitting around in the corners on their backsides with legs wide open. savages dammnit ! long overdue. everyone in the league sees it accept for Canucks management who won't even re-sign Bitz for peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Doughty Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Burrows and Kesler and dirty and nasty players who are key players. Honestly, a team with Lucic, Carcillo, Kesler, Burrows, Brown, Marchand would win a stanley cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostViking Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 The main reason I don't like all the "character" is that is really puts our enforcers in position where they cannot succeed. Our strategy for toughness seems to be to let most of our players do nothing (hey they're trying real hard, so they don't have to be tough, right?), let a few guys run around and piss the other team off, then place the entire toughness burden on some poor soul like Weise and complain if he can't handle it. So I do like the makeup of our team and the success we have enjoyed shows the system is working, but I feel really bad for a guy like Weise who has to fight so many battles for others. Dale was a rookie last year, and had some of the lowest TOI on the team, yet he is the guy everyone else was looking to for leadership in the toughness department? Now everyone is going to look to Kassian, and that is really unfair for such a young guy trying to mold himself into a top 6 player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Murray Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Why get tough players that aren't afraid to fight, and are hard-nosed penalty killers who lead by example and are vocal locker room leaders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsflash Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 we need savages, not Mason Raymond butterflies flitting around in the corners on their backsides with legs wide open. savages dammnit ! long overdue. everyone in the league sees it accept for Canucks management who won't even re-sign Bitz for peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Murray Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I HAVE A PLAN WHY ISN'T GILLIS FOLLOWING MY PLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeystar Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Just wondered about this and thought it'd be a good discussion to have on here so here it is: We all know the Canucks are keen on bringing in "character" players, by drafting, trading, signings...by any means of bringing in a player, our organization wants these type of players. You'll always here "he's a character player" when someone new is brought in, and Gillis and AV say it all the time when they describe the new guys. Check out when MG talked about drafting Gaunce and signing Garrison, they're both "character" players. MG describes it as a person who is a leader on and of the ice, can help teammates and try's his hardest. Well, I think there's a synonym for that: someone who has skill but can't stand up for players. Now don't take this is an insult, I love the character guys we have here but it seems all of them are afraid in getting in opponents faces. Brown is a leader too, but he isn't a character guy according to MG's description, but I think we need to move away from that a bit and get guys who are nasty and can take that side out when needed. Few players we have that are character players and can stand up are: Kassian, Bieksa. Lapierre, Burrows, Kesler do it at times and for depth players, we need our big players doing it. Our team seems to get manhandled in any series we play and most the guys watch our guys get hurt. It's not how the Cup is won now and you have to adapt to the play as time goes on and structure your team around current winners otherwise you'll be left behind when tw challenge approaches. Check out the past 2-3 winners, all the teams had skilled players but also had key players that were nasty and dirty. We need that to win otherwise we won't succeed much. The refs has also adapted and give lots of lee-way after a whistle and I find it funny when our players look at refs and say, "wtf, no call!? He clearly hit me illegally". The leagues changed, the refs changed and in overal, the games changed so I was wondering if you guys agree or disagree that we should step aside from getting "character" guys, aka, players that got skill but don't stand up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Few players we have that are character players and can stand up are: Kassian, Bieksa. Lapierre, Burrows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucskDominateOnceAgain Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I wouldnt mind if we just got guys who can help Kesler score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDave Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I just think gillis has his ways a little too set in stone. I mean he won't sign a player unless they're proven academically, which i suppose i understand, for the most part. I'm just a firm believer that if you don't take the occasional leap of fate, you never end up getting very far. And gillis wouldn't take a chance if his life depended on it. But in the end, i'm just some die hard fan sitting at home on my ass with an opinion and access to the internet. I'm sure a proven NHL hockey player/2 time presidents trophy winning GM would LOVE to hear MY ideas on what the team SHOULD do. I have no concerns. But yes, i do think we should consider signing different types of players then we've trended towards in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brycemeat Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Burrows and Kesler and dirty and nasty players who are key players. Honestly, a team with Lucic, Carcillo, Kesler, Burrows, Brown, Marchand would win a stanley cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I mean he won't sign a player unless they're proven academically, which i suppose i understand, for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 we need savages, not Mason Raymond butterflies flitting around in the corners on their backsides with legs wide open. savages dammnit ! long overdue. everyone in the league sees it accept for Canucks management who won't even re-sign Bitz for peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsflash Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 News flash, Newsflash; he does not know who you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDave Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Yeah, that link between academia and professional hockey is just so strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cIutch Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 we need either 1)players without souls or 2)robots disguised as humans make it happen gillis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cIutch Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 we need savages, not Mason Raymond butterflies flitting around in the corners on their backsides with legs wide open. savages dammnit ! long overdue. everyone in the league sees it accept for Canucks management who won't even re-sign Bitz for peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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