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The argument that Luongo didn't give our team a chance to win is pathetic. First of all, you can blame Luongo for letting in that first goal as much as you can blame the other 18 guys on the team for not scoring that first goal. In bold is the typical excused many use for the players...

All Kesler does is rush into centre ice and make a weak wrist shot right into the legs of Chara? No problem, he had one good series against Nashville so he is a proven playoff "beast".

Sedins can't find a way to get around the likes of Chara, Seidenberg, Bergeron etc? Lets all blame Burrows for not being big and tough enough to protect them from being abused and for not opening enough space for them to score.

Raymond, Higgins, Lapierre, Hansen and company can't provide secondary offence? Well, it isn't their fault right? It is fine because they aren't our primary scoring threats and as long as they aren't allowing the opponents to score...but wait, even if we do get scored on, we just blame Luongo because he got paid 10 million dollars in one season...and the other guys ONLY make a measly $2 million+ a season...

Fanner Glass fanned on an empty net opportunity and then Boston scores the first goal? Blame Luongo for not keeping that first goal out and not giving our team a chance to score the first goal...

Our top d-man Hamhuis is injured? Oh don't worry about it, it isn't like Luongo needs time to get used to playing in front of new defence pairings or anything....

Bieksa-Rome and Bieksa-Ballard can't shut down the other team? Definitely Ballard's fault for not stepping up - I mean, who cares if he hasn't played a game for weeks? If we give him the chance to play on the top defence pairing, he must do well. Also, it wasn't like Ballard played well with Tanev or anything......In addition, even if Ballard didn't play well and made many turnovers, Luongo should have stopped them all, he does make millions of dollars right?

Ehrhoff has a shoulder injury and can't keep the puck in the offensive zone during PP's? Blame Luongo for getting score on shorthanded by the Bruins even though he didn't have much help with backchecking or defence.

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The argument that Luongo didn't give our team a chance to win is pathetic. First of all, you can blame Luongo for letting in that first goal as much as you can blame the other 18 guys on the team for not scoring that first goal. In bold is the typical excused many use for the players...

All Kesler does is rush into centre ice and make a weak wrist shot right into the legs of Chara? No problem, he had one good series against Nashville so he is a proven playoff "beast".

Sedins can't find a way to get around the likes of Chara, Seidenberg, Bergeron etc? Lets all blame Burrows for not being big and tough enough to protect them from being abused and for not opening enough space for them to score.

Raymond, Higgins, Lapierre, Hansen and company can't provide secondary offence? Well, it isn't their fault right? It is fine because they aren't our primary scoring threats and as long as they aren't allowing the opponents to score...but wait, even if we do get scored on, we just blame Luongo because he got paid 10 million dollars in one season...

Fanner Glass fanned on an empty net opportunity and then Boston scores the first goal? Blame Luongo for not keeping that first goal out and not giving our team a chance to score the first goal...

Our top d-man Hamhuis is injured? Oh don't worry about it, it isn't like Luongo needs time to get used to playing in front of new defence pairings or anything....

Bieksa-Rome and Bieksa-Ballard can't shut down the other team? Definitely Ballard's fault for not stepping up - I mean, who cares if he hasn't played a game for weeks? If we give him the chance to play on the top defence pairing, he must do well. Also, it wasn't like Ballard played well with Tanev or anything......In addition, even if Ballard didn't play well and made many turnovers, Luongo should have stopped them all, he does make millions of dollars right?

Ehrhoff has a shoulder injury and can't keep the puck in the offensive zone during PP's? Blame Luongo for getting score on shorthanded by the Bruins even though he didn't have much help with backchecking or defence.

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Classy with the personal attacks. For the sake of brevity, I decided not to include a breakdown of each individual game, and a detailed analysis of how effective each one was relative to a universally acceptable standard. My mistake in offering my own opinion; this is a discussion board after all. If you'd like to share your opinion, and offer some productive discussion as to why you feel my opinion is incorrect, feel free.

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Well my hole opinion on this subject is that Schnieder's was throwing into the mix when LOU had the groin injury and was throwin to the wolves and tried his best to fill that spot in the team and for a roookie he did very well..

But o the other hand look at LOU we have seen him many times make great save all goalies have that in them but when things dont go there way it is like watchin a kid without his ICE CREAM!!! . Time for them to grow up after watching 30 yrs of hockey I've seen it all.

Time move on it is what LOU wants to do and we need new blood too!!!

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Exactly. You know what you are talking about, unlike some of the other CDC users. Everyone here agrees that the Canucks' window to win is NOW and not LATER. Yet, a majority of the proposals here are about trade Luongo for Bjustad? Gudbranson? Huberdeau? What about the proposals about trading Raymond, Ballard and Malholtra for draft picks?

It is ridiculous. The reason for trading for the future, and not for someone who can help us now is to "save cap space". But lemme ask a question first, are we out of cap space right now? No we aren't, we have plenty of space and even more because Kesler is going until at least November/December, so why trade players who are useful now for draft picks/prospects who may or may not make an impact for our team.

Ohh but wait, our future isn't looking very bright because we don't have any players who are projected to be superstars so we have to give up current assets to help the team in the future. What about our current team then? I thought the window to win was now why are we suddenly worrying about the future? Who knows, maybe we will find a gem in next years draft, or the year after that, what about the after that? I think MG should be more worried about helping the team win now...\

Are there any free agents still out there that are going to demand a huge amount of money? Doan and thats it. We don't even know if he is going to sign here, but we are already making trades to make room for him on the team? I guess we are all forgetting Raymond gave up his back for the team and now finally has a full summer to prepare for next season. Malholtra also has an entire offseason to train for next year and Ballard, IMO, was one of our better defencemen in the playoffs and he is probably the only one I remember that stuck up for our players on numerous occasions.

We want to trade for someone who can stick up for his teammates by trading away someone who already does that.

However, if we give up Schneider, I feel that the other team will be willing to give us a more proven and NHL ready player who can help our team win NOW and not LATER.

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How do you know Luongo will be inconsistent in the playoffs? You cant blame one guy for a bad game, you have to blame the team. In the Stanley Cup final, Luongo was blamed the most out of everyone. Luongo did allow bad goals, but some of the goals were'nt his fault, they were the teams fault. Plus our players never scored. Anything can happen to Schnieder. I just cant see this team win with Schnieder. Since Luongo came here, I wanted him to win a cup with us because he deserves the cup more than anyone on this team.

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Keep pushing for Schneider as you wish, until it actually happens, and argument for trading Schneider exists. As Gillis knows Schneider's value, so do rebuilding teams. This heavily increases Schneider's actual value which cannot be determined until far into the future as most teams will be watching closely. One more deadline date could do wonders for this franchise.

And with rough, tough and punishing secondary scoring, Luongo can carry this ship to the Holy Grail.

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But not a productive discussion as to how my opinion is incorrect. If you're going to help me improve on currently being on the Dean's list for 3rd year university, you might want to work on your reading comprehension, and ask someone to help you to proofread your posts for grammar.

Back on topic, do you have something productive to say regarding Luongo's inconsistent play in the playoffs?

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Fine, I'll do it series by series:

2007:

  • vs Dallas: Excellent

  • vs Anaheim Good

2009:

  • vs St Louis: Excellent

  • vs Chicago: Bad

2010:

  • vs Los Angeles: Mediocre

  • vs Chicago: Bad

2011:

  • vs Chicago: Bad

  • vs Nashville: Good

  • vs San Jose: Excellent

  • vs Boston: Bad

2012:

  • vs Los Angleles: Mediocre

Adding it up:

Excellent: 3 series

Good: 2 series

Mediocre: 2 series

Bad: 4 series

Looks pretty inconsistent to me. Only 1 playoffs before this last season where he didn`t have at least one bad series.

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