NucksPatsFan Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 You see no difference between that and the refs signing off on the PSI of the balls and then taking them in a bathroom and deflating them? Walt Anderson signed off on the PSI? Interesting. Could you link me to his pre-game PSI figures for what both the Patriots and Colts balls were? I'm quite interested since both the Patriots and the Colts balls were found to be deflated at half time, it'll be interesting to see what PSI they were at before the game to see how much each team's PSI dropped. Thanks in advanced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksPatsFan Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I've said enough about "deflate gate". I honestly don't really care anymore. That being said, I am really looking forward to seeing the signs that fans in Indy will be breaking out in week six! Should have to Colts totally pumped... Like their crowd noise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksPatsFan Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The gauge with the logo and the longer needle generated higher measurements of the Patriots footballs at halftime, ranging from 0.3 PSI to 0.45 PSI higher for each of the 11 footballs. If that gauge — the one with the logo and the longer, crooked needle — were used to set the PSI for the balls before the game began, the measurements from that gauge are the right measurements to rely upon at halftime. And those measurements show that there was no tampering, because most of the footballs fell within the 11.52 to 11.32 PSI range for halftime, as predicted by the Ideal Gas Law. Referee Walt Anderson didn’t clearly recall which gauge he used to set the pressure in the Patriots balls at 12.5 PSI before the game. Page 52 of the Wells report reveals that it was Anderson’s “best recollection” that he used before the game the gauge with the logo and the longer, crooked needle. In other words, Anderson recalls using the gauge before the game that, based on the halftime measurements, leads to a finding of no tampering. So how did Ted Wells get around the “best recollection” of Walt Anderson? Wells persuaded Anderson to admit that it’s “certainly possible” he used the other gauge. And the company hired to provide technical support for the Wells report concluded based on a convoluted explanation appearing at pages 116-17 of the report that it is “more probable than not” that Anderson used the other gauge This becomes more and more of a joke as more and more people analyze this report. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Crosby Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Can we get over this and get to week 1 please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Like their crowd noise? That will be deflated by half time as it will be 28-7 for the Pats at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I'm just sitting here reading this thread like http://media.giphy.com/media/GjYjLvGErsggg/giphy.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I'm just sitting here reading this thread likehttp://media.giphy.com/media/GjYjLvGErsggg/giphy.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 This becomes more and more of a joke as more and more people analyze this report. I called it right when it came out that the report would be shredded within a week. Just the tip of the iceberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M A K A V E L I 96 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I'm quite interested since both the Patriots and the Colts balls were found to be deflated at half time It's fine to argue your side, but do you need to lie? All of the Patriots balls were under 12.5 on both gauges. All of the Colts balls were above 12.5 on at least one of the gauges. Patriots: 11.5 10.85 11.15 10.7 11.1 11.6 11.85 11.1 10.95 10.50 10.90 (avg 11.1) 11.8 11.2 11.5 11 11.45 11.95 12.3 11.55 11.35 10.9 11.35 (avg 11.4) Colts: 12.7 12.75 12.5 12.55 (avg 12.6) 12.35 12.3 12.95 12.15 (avg 12.4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M A K A V E L I 96 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 That explains everything now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown33429 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Ah HA! Got you! That's where you have failed to ask the right question. Why are deflated footballs easier to intercept? Because a deflated football has a slower velocity than an inflated one which allows the defense more time to react. 14 points vs 28. Boom! Basically, you're suggesting the Pats felt bad for their opponents and wanted to give them an advantage by deflating their footballs? Whether or not there was an advantage gained is irrelevant, what people are concerned with is the cheating and lying. It is impossible to know the outcome otherwise had the cheating not occurred. Eg) Lance Armstrong may still have won the tour de france seven times had he not taken steroids, but that fact is irrelevant. Plus, it's extremely naive to assume that the only time they tampered with footballs was the time they got caught. I'm not a huge football fan but I'd respect Brady a lot more if he admitted he made a mistake and apologized. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magician Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) That explains everything now. http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/5/12/8595449/jets-tom-brady-billboards-tom-shady-get-it-because-he-cheated?utm_campaign=sundownmotel&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter They PAID for 12 bill boards to make an unfunny joke lol Edited May 13, 2015 by The Magician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Basically, you're suggesting the Pats felt bad for their opponents and wanted to give them an advantage by deflating their footballs? Whether or not there was an advantage gained is irrelevant, what people are concerned with is the cheating and lying. It is impossible to know the outcome otherwise had the cheating not occurred. Eg) Lance Armstrong may still have won the tour de france seven times had he not taken steroids, but that fact is irrelevant. Plus, it's extremely naive to assume that the only time they tampered with footballs was the time they got caught. I'm not a huge football fan but I'd respect Brady a lot more if he admitted he made a mistake and apologized. No - I'm suggesting that maybe they didn't do it. Maybe the ball boys did it themselves thinking it was a good idea - maybe they didn't do it neither. Maybe the Colts paid them to do it. Maybe the balls weren't properly inflated at the start...and the refs didn't actually check them. Maybe the Pats didn't keep them warm on the sidelines and the cold caused them to lose a pound. Maybe M A K A V E L I 96 deflated them - after all, he hates the Pats as much as anybody. I mean a hater would do it just to get the Pats in trouble. Who really knows what happened - but that Well's report is a joke and this all seems like a bad dream - kind of like travelling in a foreign country and getting accused of smuggling drugs that were planted on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Basically, you're suggesting the Pats felt bad for their opponents and wanted to give them an advantage by deflating their footballs? Whether or not there was an advantage gained is irrelevant, what people are concerned with is the cheating and lying. It is impossible to know the outcome otherwise had the cheating not occurred. Eg) Lance Armstrong may still have won the tour de france seven times had he not taken steroids, but that fact is irrelevant. Plus, it's extremely naive to assume that the only time they tampered with footballs was the time they got caught. I'm not a huge football fan but I'd respect Brady a lot more if he admitted he made a mistake and apologized. We're not saying because the deflated footballs meant a disadvantage that all of a sudden it is justified the balls were deflated. We're (at least I'm) saying is that there isn't any evidence the Pats deflated them. If they did and there's proof, then hey, I'll admit we got caught with our hand in the cookie jar but atm, there's no evidence proving that the Pats played around with the integrity of the game regardless of advantages/disadvantages gained/lost. The Ideal Gas Law actually showcases that the measurements the refs have prove the drop in PSI is comfortably within the realm of possibility and is factual reasoning to explain the air level drop (http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/23/physics-professor-counters-deflate-gate-accusations-with-science-video/). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 CNBC @CNBC 5h Sales of Tom Brady merchandise have spiked 100% since yesterday » http://cnb.cx/1ctmELw TIME.com @TIME 30 minutes ago Tom Brady merchandise sales have doubled since he was suspended http://ti.me/1cu5ux8 AtTheBuzzer @TheBuzzerOnFOX 2h NFL official retailer says sales of Pats merchandise has doubled since Deflategate ruling. http://foxs.pt/1EywfIs Where are youuuuuuu little fool that was trying to argue against me about the publicity yesterday Right here. Hardly call it an argument, although I understand if you didn't comprehend what I responded with. If you weren't referring to me, then nevermind, if you were, then: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magician Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Right here. Hardly call it an argument, although I understand if you didn't comprehend what I responded with. If you weren't referring to me, then nevermind, if you were, then: Being completely honest, I didn't understand a word you said or the pic. EDIT: Obviously I was talking about you. Tack 1 up for The Magician. Edited May 13, 2015 by The Magician 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Being completely honest, I didn't understand a word you said or the pic. EDIT: Obviously I was talking about you. Tack 1 up for The Magician. Not surprised you didn't, after all, I didn't say GO PATS! Did you log in to a dupe account to +1 yourself 2 seconds after you posted? Post about that in the "how to be cool thread". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magician Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Not surprised you didn't, after all, I didn't say GO PATS! Did you log in to a dupe account to +1 yourself 2 seconds after you posted? Post about that in the "how to be cool thread". Someone +1'd me before I even edited it You were wrong, move along little sonny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksPatsFan Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 It's fine to argue your side, but do you need to lie? All of the Patriots balls were under 12.5 on both gauges. All of the Colts balls were above 12.5 on at least one of the gauges. Patriots: 11.5 10.85 11.15 10.7 11.1 11.6 11.85 11.1 10.95 10.50 10.90 (avg 11.1) 11.8 11.2 11.5 11 11.45 11.95 12.3 11.55 11.35 10.9 11.35 (avg 11.4) Colts: 12.7 12.75 12.5 12.55 (avg 12.6) 12.35 12.3 12.95 12.15 (avg 12.4) 3 of the 4 balls under the required 12.5 PSI. Why are there 2 different gauges being used? Why isn't the same gauge that was used pre-game by Walt Anderson being used at half time and again post game to keep the protocol consistent? Like Sherman's PED filled piss cup, the league couldn't follow proper protocol on this either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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