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You can't really hide behind the Ideal Gas Law. The Patriots dropoff was 0.5 - 1 PSI more than the Colts in the same conditions. What are you comparing the 11.65 PSI to for you PSI % drop?

If you even ignore that, you still have to explain all of the text messages and lying from the locker room attendant.

The Colts balls could've been inflated more to begin with. However no one will ever know this because the refs didn't record the PSI before the game started.

Watch the video. It's literally the IGL and plugging in a few numbers. I'm comparing the 11.65 PSI and the rest of them to 12.5 PSI which is the minimum required for a ball to be pumped.

Texts didnt find anything conclusive. Even in the report it says it sounded like they were joking around more than anything and the locker room attendant is his own story, not Brady's.

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Sales of Tom Brady merchandise have spiked 100% since yesterday » http://cnb.cx/1ctmELw

TIME.com@TIME 30 minutes ago

Tom Brady merchandise sales have doubled since he was suspended http://ti.me/1cu5ux8

AtTheBuzzer@TheBuzzerOnFOX 2h

NFL official retailer says sales of Pats merchandise has doubled since Deflategate ruling. http://foxs.pt/1EywfIs

Where are youuuuuuu little fool that was trying to argue against me about the publicity yesterday

Like I said before, the patriots have to share that money, so the NFL is the winner. Seems like genius move by the commissioner to make a lengthy suspension, resulting in national coverage and more money for his sport. The Colts and Seattle get a share of that money, so they are just as happy as the Pats.

Basically Pats get a percent of the revenue generated but have to bear the 1 million loss themselves. Unless they had trouble filling their stadiums in the past, this doesn't benefit them as much as people think. Keep in mind that I don't know a lot about football but I learned about revenue sharing from the Daily Show.

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Hopefully doesn't become the youngest victim of the cover curse.

One of my Giants friends was actually voting for Gronk because of the curse lol. Happy for OBJ and for Gronk...Gronk's had enough injuries as is. Glad he won't get cursed and a phantom injury lol.

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One of my Giants friends was actually voting for Gronk because of the curse lol. Happy for OBJ and for Gronk...Gronk's had enough injuries as is. Glad he won't get cursed and a phantom injury lol.

Yeah, I'd have a hard time voting my favourite player/player from my team in because of the curse.

I'd vote for Big Ben though ;-) haha.

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I'm comparing the 11.65 PSI and the rest of them to 12.5 PSI which is the minimum required for a ball to be pumped.

This is how you calculate percentage drop. ((11.65 / 12.5) - 1) * 100 = - 6.8%
I don't know what you did, but all of your results are wrong. The first one is off by a factor of more than 2.
Where do you go now? Conclude that there was deliberate deflating or come up with some other unknown factor (dark matter, aliens, etc). :)
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This is how you calculate percentage drop. ((11.65 / 12.5) - 1) * 100 = - 6.8%

I don't know what you did, but all of your results are wrong. The first one is off by a factor of more than 2.

Where do you go now? Conclude that there was deliberate deflating or come up with some other unknown factor (dark matter, aliens, etc). :)

:picard:

lel. That's not how you calculate PSI % drop. IGL is a simple formula and for goodness sake I even gave you the video to see which you clearly disregarded. Result? Thought you knew more than simple IGL but ended up backfiring and made a fool of yourself as that's not how you calculate it :lol:

You have to look at absolute pressure and outside pressure. Standard is 14.7 PSI so you add that to the 12.5 (= 27.2) and also to the 11.65 (= 26.36). Difference is 0.85. You then divide that by 27.2 and what do you know? wallah! You get get 3.1%

looooolz

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That calculation is garbage. The balls weren't measured outside at the half. They were measured in the refs locker room both before the game and at the half. Take a ball and measure the PSI outside. Take it inside now and leave it alone for a couple of minutes and measure it again. The difference will be drastic.

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Haha the curse is over. Megatron and the LOB broke it.

Richard Sherman was on the cover last season.

Richard Sherman got injured last season.

The curse is definitely alive, and I voted for OBJ because with Gronk's history, can't risk having the curse as a possibility.

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Former NFL QB Jim Miller was on 1040

  • Said from personal experience and other NFL QBs he talked to, deflated balls act as a weight in rainy weather and quarterbacks don't like that.
  • Said the quality of the game balls delivered by the manufacturer from week to week differ - some weeks the laces might be a little higher, other weeks the texture of the ball will feel a little different than from the week before and QBs will deflate/inflate to try and match the texture that they like

It's also hard to thread the needle and fit ball into tight windows (patented signature of Brady's game) with a deflated ball due to the decreased velocity and increased travel time.

Also brought up this whole fumbles BS and noted that in more games, Peyton Manning has 20 less fumbles. :shock: INVESTIGATE HIM!

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That calculation is garbage. The balls weren't measured outside at the half. They were measured in the refs locker room both before the game and at the half. Take a ball and measure the PSI outside. Take it inside now and leave it alone for a couple of minutes and measure it again. The difference will be drastic.

Looooooolllll. You just have really thick skin and can't handle the truth. I can't believe it looool. You know once the ball is effected outside, it's a permanent effect? You think a basketball sitting outside in the rain will somehow get inflated to its usually form when put back inside? :picard:

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I haven't really been reading this thread cuz its turned full stupid, but are we arguing about the fact Brady didn't know about the deflated balls or that the deflated balls didn't help them win?

I've concluded from this thread and outside this thread that there's 5 types of people:

  1. People who don't really follow football and only read article headlines instead of the actual content, and are so blinded by their hate for the Patriots/Brady/Boston that they feel Brady should be banished from the league and be burned at the stake and Seattle should be hailed as Super Bowl champions
  2. People who don't really follow football and only read headlines, and who are so blinded by their love for the Patriots/Brady/Boston that they are actually protesting at NFL head offices and think there is a conspiracy that all 31 teams got together with Goodell to plan this ambush
  3. People who follow football closely, understand the realities of the league, understand that ball tampering and other forms of rule breaking occur among all 32 teams, that the 30 minutes of playing with slightly deflated balls had no effect on the outcome of the game, that the Super Bowl was a fairly played game, but still feel Brady should be given a fair punishment because the breaking of a rule shouldn't go unpunished.
  4. People who follow football closely, understand the realities of the league, understand that all teams break the rules, but think that the Patriots won an unfair game vs the Colts and that the outcome would've been different had the balls been standard PSI from the beginning, and that their Super Bowl should be taken away because he shouldn't of been able to start in the Super Bowl/the Colts should've replaced them in the Super Bowl
  5. Both NFL fans and non NFL fans who are all sick of all this deflated balls talk and couldn't care less because 1 or less PSI of air is peanuts compared to everything else yet both the NFL media and other media such as CNN devote all their coverage to >1 PSI of a football instead of other stories - 95% of this thread
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IMO theres way too many inconsistencies with the Pats changing their stories, making guys available then not.

At the end of the day the balls dont make that much of a difference however, they got caught. I think 4 games is too harsh but I think they punished the Pats and Kraft on the optics and arrogance he acted in moreso than what the actual crime was.

If Kraft and the Pats had have swallowed their pride and apologized instead of acting like entitled jackasses they would have been punished less severely.

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Looooooolllll. You just have really thick skin and can't handle the truth. I can't believe it looool. You know once the ball is effected outside, it's a permanent effect? You think a basketball sitting outside in the rain will somehow get inflated to its usually form when put back inside? :picard:

It's not the pressure of the ball itself, but where it's measured. Those calculations you linked to assume measurements are done inside and then outside. Completely baseless and useless for arguing your 'natural causes' point.

You don't really understand the science behind this, so here's a simple sequence of events.

Pregame measured inside before handing over to the Patriots = 12.5

Halftime measured inside = Dropped up to 2 PSI

Balls inflated to proper level at half

After game measured inside = Remained approximately the same level as inflated to during halftime

Maybe you should take your youtube video to the NFL and offer your services. I'm sure you're better suited at this than the scientific firm that was hired to carry out these experiments. :P

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Pregame measured inside before handing over to the Patriots = 12.5

I've asked for you to provide the link to where this information is posted 3 times now and you ignore every time.

Floyd, is that you? Your cherry picked responses are awfully similar to his cherry picking opponents to ensure he keeps his perfect record.

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I've asked for you to provide the link to where this information is posted 3 times now and you ignore every time.

Use google. Takes 30 seconds.

During the pre-game inspection, Anderson determined that all but two of the

Patriots game balls delivered by McNally were properly inflated. Most of them
measured 12.5 psi. Two tested below 12.5 psi and Anderson directed another
game official to further inflate those two game balls, which Anderson then
adjusted to 12.5 psi using a pressure gauge. Most of the Colts game balls tested
by Anderson prior to the game measured 13.0 or 13.1 psi. Although one or two
footballs may have registered 12.8 or 12.9 psi, it was evident to Anderson that the
Colts‟ inflation target for the game balls was 13.0 psi. No air was added to or
released from the Colts game balls pre-game because they were all within the
permissible range.

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Use google. Takes 30 seconds.

That's Walt's "best recollection of events" as described by Wells. Do you have any evidence, such as an image of the sheet the official PSI's were written down on pre game?

If you even ignore that, you still have to explain all of the text messages and lying from the locker room attendant.

The closest Jastremski or McNally comes to saying Brady is in on any deflation is when Jastremski texts the following:

Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done…

Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though…

Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn… The refs (expletive) us…a few of then were at almost 16

Jastremski: They didnt recheck then after they put air in them

This was after the Patriots’ Week 7 win over the New York Jets, and it actually raises more questions than answers. If McNally’s stress was to deflate footballs, then why were they at 16 PSI the next morning? Apparently, McNally wasn’t doing his job very well. Why were the footballs at 16 PSI at all? The Patriots must have submitted footballs under 12.5, the officials must have refilled them, and they refilled them way too much without checking the level, proving no one really cared about football inflation or deflation as recently as October.

McNally also sends these texts to his fiancée that week:

Jastremski: Ugh…Tom was right.

Jastremski: I just measured some of the balls. They supposed to be 13 lbs… They were like 16. Felt like bricks

This is actually the only text in which Brady’s desired PSI is revealed, and it’s not 12.5 or lower. McNally told the officials Brady wanted the footballs inflated to 12.5. A common theme in Jastremski and McNally’s texts is Brady complaining about the PSI level in footballs, but it all seems to be related to the Jets game, when they were overfilled by 3.5 PSI.

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That's Walt's "best recollection of events" as described by Wells. Do you have any evidence, such as an image of the sheet the official PSI's were written down on pre game?

I doubt they write down the figures before each game since they assume no one would be deflating the balls after they've signed off on them. Their job is to check if they're within the allowed limits. 2 weren't in the range pre-game, so were set to 12.5.

Are you trying to say that the balls were already out of range pre-game?

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