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I doubt they write down the figures before each game since they assume no one would be deflating the balls after they've signed off on them. Their job is to check if they're within the allowed limits. 2 weren't in the range pre-game, so were set to 12.5.

Are you trying to say that the balls were already out of range pre-game?

When you're told the night before to look out for a team possibly deflating balls, it'd be common sense to write down your exact measurements in case the league wants to review the balls after. No I personally don't think they were out of range, but the technicality of lack of evidence showing the pre-game PSI will play a large part in the appeal, like Sherman's broken seal.

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It's not the pressure of the ball itself, but where it's measured. Those calculations you linked to assume measurements are done inside and then outside. Completely baseless and useless for arguing your 'natural causes' point.

You don't really understand the science behind this, so here's a simple sequence of events.

Pregame measured inside before handing over to the Patriots = 12.5

Halftime measured inside = Dropped up to 2 PSI

Balls inflated to proper level at half

After game measured inside = Remained approximately the same level as inflated to during halftime

Maybe you should take your youtube video to the NFL and offer your services. I'm sure you're better suited at this than the scientific firm that was hired to carry out these experiments. :P

Lol, I give up. I keep giving you proof and you keep making up your own things and believing that crap. Honestly have near 0 credibility in these talks :lol:

IGL:

here are the facts and evidence proving the Patriots innocence even though there is no definitive dirt on the Pats to begin with

Mak:

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Willams (defensive coach) suspended for the year. Idk if hes back yet

Vilma suspended for the year

Payton suspended for the year

Smith suspended 8 games

their coach they were going to replace payton with was suspended too

2 other players suspended

Their 1st was traded to new england Patriots hench not being able to be taken away

That explains why the 1st wasn't taken away. Thank you.
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When you're told the night before to look out for a team possibly deflating balls, it'd be common sense to write down your exact measurements in case the league wants to review the balls after. No I personally don't think they were out of range, but the technicality of lack of evidence showing the pre-game PSI will play a large part in the appeal, like Sherman's broken seal.

The ref wasn't told the night before. He had a discussion with someone from the league office just prior to the game that the Colts had concerns about the Pats footballs. The ref said he would do his usual checks before the game. All of the balls were 12.5 prior to the game (2 had to be inflated). There's really no point in writing down 12.5 over & over. It's the lower limit of the range and easy to remember.

The Colts measured the intercepted ball on the sidelines and it was underinflated, so that's when their GM told the league officials to ask the refs to check the rest of the balls.

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The ref wasn't told the night before. He had a discussion with someone from the league office just prior to the game that the Colts had concerns about the Pats footballs. The ref said he would do his usual checks before the game. All of the balls were 12.5 prior to the game (2 had to be inflated). There's really no point in writing down 12.5 over & over. It's the lower limit of the range and easy to remember.

The Colts measured the intercepted ball on the sidelines and it was underinflated, so that's when their GM told the league officials to ask the refs to check the rest of the balls.

...to no avail b/c IGL proves the loss of air, just as the Colts balls did.

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I'm kind of surprised why NFL didn't do the palatable thing - like 2 games suspension and $1M fine. I think Pats would have sucked it up and the issue would eventually go away. But being so excessive to 'make them an example' is now getting a whole lot of fight back. Bit of a dumb move on Troy Vincent's part.

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The ref wasn't told the night before. He had a discussion with someone from the league office just prior to the game that the Colts had concerns about the Pats footballs. The ref said he would do his usual checks before the game. All of the balls were 12.5 prior to the game (2 had to be inflated). There's really no point in writing down 12.5 over & over. It's the lower limit of the range and easy to remember.

The Colts measured the intercepted ball on the sidelines and it was underinflated, so that's when their GM told the league officials to ask the refs to check the rest of the balls.

The ball that was intercepted which started all of this was during the regular season game. The Colts alerted the NFL the day prior to the AFCCG who replied and said they forwarded the Colts concerns to the head of officiating and Walt Anderson.

Colts GM Ryan Grigson was aware of the Patriots’ tendency to fiddle with their balls, and ratted them out in an email to the NFL the day before the AFC Championship Game.

Kensil and Gardi forwarded the email along to director of game operations James Daniel, and NFL officiating department members Dean Blandino and Alberto Riveron, who said they would alert referee Walt Anderson.

Also there is a point in writing down what the exact number the gauge produced prior to the game was, considering there were 2 different gauges available to Walt and both of them, as it turns out, "work" differently and produce different results. Also funny how he couldn't remember which gauge he used pre game, but thinks he's pretty sure which one it was .

Oh well, doesn't matter anyways, Walt's inconsistencies and the botched protocol with inconsistent measuring tools will all benefit Brady and the NFLPA during the upcoming appeal when Kessler once again haunts Goodell.

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I'm kind of surprised why NFL didn't do the palatable thing - like 2 games suspension and $1M fine. I think Pats would have sucked it up and the issue would eventually go away. But being so excessive to 'make them an example' is now getting a whole lot of fight back. Bit of a dumb move on Troy Vincent's part.

It's hilarious because, Jeffrey Kessler is a nightmare in Goodell's eyes.

Goodell purposely delegated the ruling to Vincent so Goodell could be the one who hears the appeal. Probably never expected to have Kessler representing Brady when he thought of that.

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Also why the league is going to get roasted by Brady and his team for an unfair penalty based on no definitive evidence of them tampering.

Again with the "definitive evidence"? You don't need a confession or videotape of them deflating the football. The standard for cheating in the NFL is "balance of probabilities".

You take all the circumstantial evidence like the deflation levels of the balls, the text messages from 'the deflator', the deflator lying about taking the balls to the bathroom & then changing his story multiple times after being shown surveillance video, etc and then ask yourself what is the more likely of the two options. End of story.

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The ball that was intercepted which started all of this was during the regular season game. The Colts alerted the NFL the day prior to the AFCCG who replied and said they forwarded the Colts concerns to the head of officiating and Walt Anderson.

The report says Anderson was told just prior to the game. Does this really matter to you? When you start splitting hairs about things like this it means you have no real claims to support your argument.

I think any reasonable person reviewing all the data would say the balls were deflated, the 4 game suspension was warranted because of not co-operating with the investigation (would've likely been less if he was honest), and the draft picks being taken away weren't necessary.

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Again with the "definitive evidence"? You don't need a confession or videotape of them deflating the football. The standard for cheating in the NFL is "balance of probabilities".

You take all the circumstantial evidence like the deflation levels of the balls, the text messages from 'the deflator', the deflator lying about taking the balls to the bathroom & then changing his story multiple times after being shown surveillance video, etc and then ask yourself what is the more likely of the two options. End of story.

Keep telling yourself. That's why this case is closed and has no controversy whatsoever right? Oh, yea.

Oh, and you know when the guy called himself the deflator, that text was in October? Months prior to the game and had no relation to the incident at all. People like you just cherry pick that to make it look like it's worth something but holds no credibility. More likely of the 2 options? Idk Mak, that's a tough one. IGL proving the Pats innocence or an unfair penalty based off this:

"In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain."

:lol:

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The report says Anderson was told just prior to the game. Does this really matter to you? When you start splitting hairs about things like this it means you have no real claims to support your argument.

I think any reasonable person reviewing all the data would say the balls were deflated, the 4 game suspension was warranted because of not co-operating with the investigation (would've likely been less if he was honest), and the draft picks being taken away weren't necessary.

Explain yourself in the 2nd part please. The balls were deflated. Yes. Pats and Colts, IGL. Should Luck be suspended 4 games because of it? They "fully cooperated" in the words of Ted Wells. He wanted a 2nd interview but they denied. I've covered this before but his fault for not getting everything in the 1st interview. They did "fully cooperate". And what makes you say the picks should stay like you've found a balance between everything?

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Explain yourself in the 2nd part please. The balls were deflated. Yes. Pats and Colts, IGL. Should Luck be suspended 4 games because of it?

Yes, Luck should be suspended because all of the Colts balls were 12.5 or above on at least one of the two gauges at half time. You've really gone off the deep end. :rolleyes:

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Yes, Luck should be suspended because all of the Colts balls were 12.5 or above on at least one of the two gauges at half time. You've really gone off the deep end. :rolleyes:

(It was a sarcastic remark but k...& says the one proven wrong multiple times in this thread lol)

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You're again going on about IGL and being proven wrong? Your youtube link doesn't apply to this case. It's completely invalid. You can't do calculations from room temperature and outside temperature, add in the pressure at sea level to both sides and find the percentage reduction. All of the measurements were done indoors in the ref locker room.

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You're again going on about IGL and being proven wrong? Your youtube link doesn't apply to this case. It's completely invalid. You can't do calculations from room temperature and outside temperature, add in the pressure at sea level to both sides and find the percentage reduction. All of the measurements were done indoors in the ref locker room.

Again, you're just making up your own things and believing the crap. That is how IGL works lol. Idk why you're trying to bend physics like it's false :lol:

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Somebody call the NFL and tell them that a Seattle Seahawks fan, coincidentally the team that Brady just torched en route to the Super Bowl victory, who goes by the username Makaveli is going to represent them in the appeal because he has a case for why Brady's side has nothing they can argue and that he has hidden information not even Ted Wells found in his investigation that directly shows Brady texting the ball boys and even walking with them to the bathrooms and standing guard outside the stall door. ;)

I still think it's reduced to 1, not abolished completely. But it'd be great if it was because I have plans to be at the game in week 1 to watch the Banner go up..

I thought he was a Jets fan?

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You can't really hide behind the Ideal Gas Law. The Patriots dropoff was 0.5 - 1 PSI more than the Colts in the same conditions. What are you comparing the 11.65 PSI to for you PSI % drop?

If you even ignore that, you still have to explain all of the text messages and lying from the locker room attendant.

Probably because the bloody refs kept sticking the gauge in and letting some air out each time!

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