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there is going to be a lock out for sure. Sept. 5th and they are not talking. Neither side willing to counterproposal the other's - Bettman says we have nothing to talk about because we already have a proposal out there. Players are saying that the NHL asked for a recess (Bettman's denies this) and are waiting for the NHL to get back to them. Each is now waiting for the other. Based on what i have seen i think Fehr has very quickly put himself into a no win facing losing position. Either he is thinking many moves ahead of everyone and is a genius for that or is going to take a big loss.

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