poetica Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Ownership would only be sued if they attempted to operate. I am sure they hvae considered their options and were aware that decertification was a player option. A shutdown until a new CBA is signed becomes the inevitable situation. You seem to think that decertificatiion is the ultimate player weapon when it might not mean that much. Whether it is the players on strike or ownership on strike the end result is a stalemate that again exposes the fundamentally weak position that players find themselves. At the end of the day it is not about what is right or wrong. It takes two parties who have to work together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 NHL boss Gary Bettman fighting cold war without obvious exit strategy .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I won't post the text here because there are a lot of quotes that would make it rather long with forum formatting, but anyone interested in a comparison of Fehr and Goodenow check out this story from the Edmonton Journal, NHL Lockout: Donald Fehr has avoided the mistakes of former NHLPA head Bob Goodenow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drybone Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 This is pathetic. Anyone who says this doesn't know jack. This is exactly what you want to get rid of hockey. The only reason you say this is because he isn't North American. If he was Canadian and followed the same exact same career path as Hamrlik, we'd have a different situation. People are just throwing guys like him into the stereotypes. Erik Cole saying that Hamrlik might as well stay in Czeck. Hey kid, talk about having some respect. Hamrlik has played a hell lot more in the NHL than Cole has. But as i said a week ago, every day we'll hear from a new player. Perhaps a different perspective and this is good. I hope some players, unlike Cole, decide to speak out and not "say nothing" out of "respect", aka "not know anything" but unite just because you feel like you have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drybone Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 p.s. Lets get the deal done before they have to cancel the season . They will fire Fehr if that happens anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 If there's a decertification a new league will start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 All the people who thought the Union was going to get a 'good deal' or push the owners around have no disappeared , spun their story, or have gone deep underground. This is all because the Union did NOT want to give up the big pay raises they have attained since 2005 , and they called in a HIRED GUN known for a lock out in another sport to shove the owners around. Is there ANYONE left who still thinks that was a good move? Lol. Now they are talking about DISBANDING the union so the richest guys can try to legally enforce their rich contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 If there's a decertification a new league will start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 No matter what, the season is likely over. Why bother with decertification? Last ditch effort from Fehr. Ruin the game like he tried with baseball. It's too bad. Decertification is actually good for big markets so =/. Too bad the two egos have turned the game into this, just a lack of respect to the game of hockey. Decertification? Fine back to the dynasty days. Teams will be lost and stacked. Players who aren't top players will not be able to find jobs. (Brouwer, and the guys who follow Fehr around (Darsh, Campoli) will be definitely out of jobs. Too bad if that happens. I think it'll be entertaining for the fans, but it'll be a mess of a league. everyone should be to blame. Players are too stupid if this were to happen. It's too bad the big top guys aren't saying anything at all. The veteran guys like Iginla need to say something meaningful out of the respect of the game of hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I think this is the only way for the Players to fight back against the owner's. To me it's clear the owner's will no bargain in good faith, all they want to do is win the deal and be greedy. There not trying to form a partnership they are trying to push the players around. And I look at it from the opposite way you do Rey, to me the season is already over either way, so why not do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I think this is the only way for the Players to fight back against the owner's. To me it's clear the owner's will no bargain in good faith, all they want to do is win the deal and be greedy. There not trying to form a partnership they are trying to push the players around. And I look at it from the opposite way you do Rey, to me the season is already over either way, so why not do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Ownership would only be sued if they attempted to operate. I am sure they hvae considered their options and were aware that decertification was a player option. A shutdown until a new CBA is signed becomes the inevitable situation. You seem to think that decertificatiion is the ultimate player weapon when it might not mean that much. Whether it is the players on strike or ownership on strike the end result is a stalemate that again exposes the fundamentally weak position that players find themselves. At the end of the day it is not about what is right or wrong. It takes two parties who have to work together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 This won't be a win for the Players. It'll become a lose lose for everyone because Fehr and the players are too stubborn to lose a little money. The NHL will be a complete mess. People already complain about the small changes in the game, and if they choose to do it again. There will be so many problems to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 It's still saddens me that people talk as if Bettman actually has any power at all. It's the owners that are telling him what to do and what they want. The owners run the league and with or without decertification it won't effect the owners as much as the players. The players need to start looking for themselves, and look at their losses and not look at the whole and realize they've already lost more money in these lockouts than they would have if they played. And to remind you. The Owners and Bettman wanted to negotiate all year. Fehr had to wait until the last minutes and this is what happens. You can't win a ego war if you are being stubborn. Players are stupid because there is a better deal for them right now, than "decertification" I'm not siding with anyone, but you'd have to be stupid to think the Owners are willing to change their stance. It will always be that way. If the Players and Union don't want to do anything, then fine. Lets have decertification. Lets see how you will like it, or any fan sees it. This isn't about who should win or who's ego is bigger. It's about the game of hockey itself. You can hate Bettman, Fehr, Both, it doesn't matter. The end result will be bad for hockey. You hate the NHL? You honestly mean that? Your telling me that you don't like hockey? or are you being naive because you want a specific "person"(s) to fail? Players are desperate and Fehr pulls this off, and you can say it with a smile that you support them? What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 It's still saddens me that people talk as if Bettman actually has any power at all. It's the owners that are telling him what to do and what they want. The owners run the league and with or without decertification it won't effect the owners as much as the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You act if the Owners care if there is a decertification. They really dont and shouldn't be threatened. The players are killing themselves. You are better off fighting a tree than arguing about the Owners. The 7-8 Owners supporting Bettman are probably the wealthy teams to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M A K A V E L I 96 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 CBC is showing classic games during the lockout. Wonder what genius decided it would be a good idea to put this graphic overlay on during the entire game. If you're going to waste this space, at least put the game clock on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You act if the Owners care if there is a decertification. They really dont and shouldn't be threatened. The players are killing themselves. You are better off fighting a tree than arguing about the Owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I don't fully understand the decertification yet, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Owners make income elsewhere. You make it sound like they need to own an NHL team to make a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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