DeNiro Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 This disclaimer of interest vote is about the dumbest thing the NHLPA can do. The NHL sees right through this little ploy to gain leverage. And now they have the upper hand again. It's not going to make the NHL change its stance, so really it's just a waste of time that hurts their bargaining position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 PA should offer 6 year contract length. But there are no extra years allowed for players re-signing with their current team. Free Agent Frenzy can't die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 * The players selling themselves to ownership in the sense of a partnership which benefits both parties. It has to happen over a long period of time. I wouldn't limit the approach to just the players but might include management and referees as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Richard-Cloutier/Rumor-Fehr-Chooses-Campoli-Over-Iginla/131/47950 Wow, talk about closed doors on the NHLPA~!?! Could this be true? Could Fehr hire those who choose to belittle the NHL for personal gain...SCORNED lol Like some on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 this lockout hurts the players not the owners, all the players have is hockey. the owners are billionaires that probably have lots of other money invested in other business. if the NHL folds the players are screwed, owners will go make more millions elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 If this season is lost and nothing resolved, its possible the NHL might have to face an internal fight from teams within who may have suffered irreprerable damage to their franchise and are forced to abandon it. Owners who have invested millions, only to see it go down the tube due to a prolonged lockout.????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vv2 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 lp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 http://www.hockeybuz...ginla/131/47950 Wow, talk about closed doors on the NHLPA~!?! Could this be true? Could Fehr hire those who choose to belittle the NHL for personal gain...SCORNED lol Like some on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromeslab Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 why not spend our money on things more important than making sure hockey players get lots of money, and sports owners get lots of money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck or Die Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 This is so bloody stupid! These idiots should be meeting EVERY DAY until they get a damn deal! But no, they still aren;t talking and things are being dragged out more. How pathetic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 PM Harper says he's saddened by NHL lockout: OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper says he's saddened by the lockout that has paralysed the NHL. In an interview with French broadcaster TVA, Harper says he's finding some consolation by turning his attention to the world junior hockey championship that starts later this month in Russia. Harper says he finds the NHL's labour dispute sad for the players who've worked hard since childhood to get to where they are. But he adds he also feels bad for the team owners, who he says hold the positions they do because of their love for the sport. The prime minister says he's especially sad to see relations between owners and players fractured to a point where the national sport could be in peril. Harper says he knows that hockey is a business, but that depriving fans of a full season twice in eight years isn't good for the NHL. The lockout is into its 14th week and has already resulted in the cancellation of 526 regular-season games through Dec. 30. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=411923&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnihilist Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 making a deal is about compromise. period. and both sides started compromising. closing the gap halfway. then they just stopped. NHL is at fault for sure. they are the ones not willing to compromise. "Hill we are willing to die on" or something to that nature... holy frack those kinds of words are usually spoken by idiots, not people who are supposed to be smart. anyways, been said before. we are all wasting our time here. who gives a flying frack anymore. reality: NHL Players deserve to make good money and retire comfortably. But their current salaries are so over the top it is just stupid. If you have to wonder about season ticket prices, and why the average fan can't even go to a game anymore, just look at player salaries. But teams are competing with each other, so expect escalation - to the point that lots of teams can't actually make it in the fake finance world of the NHL... where the league made 3b in revenues but has almost half the teams losing money.... sounds like a fools game. reality: NHL owners deserve to make money, and everyone expects them to make good money. But trying to support failing businesses is a recipe for disaster, and that is the cluster frack the whole thing is in right now. If the fiscal cliff thing in the US hits the fan, NHL will be closing 10 teams or so - or however many are struggling (probably around that number?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerines Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Sorry just wanted to interupt CBA talks with this I miss hockey so much. I want PK on our team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerines Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 gary bettman SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I am beyond frustrated with this. I took a break from thinking about the actually negotiation itself, but I just started thinking about it again and to me it is so simple. You trade off contract length for variance. because if the variance is only 5% then why do you need contract limits? And if the variance is 20 then you need it at 5 years max. So I propose 6 years max for UFA's, 7 for players, then a 10% variance. Basicly what everyone sees. Then for the CBA length (Which I don't think is much of an issue) make it 9 years with an opt out at year 7 or 8. It's just both sides wanting to win, they (The Owners) have taken there eyes off the prize, they have taken there eyes off the issue's & now all they want is power and to push the PA around again rather than form a partnership. It's disgusting and embaressing, when this season is cancelled, and all the owner's finally see how big of a waste of time this is, I hope they will want Gary's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Owners and players have lost the right to call what takes place in the name of NHL a sport now imo. They have murdered the fans and they don't care..........it is obvious. If this was running in the UK/Europe these people would be forced to go into hiding..........and it would be media/internet led. I honestly can't believe how timid the NHL fans are, how clueless, or how disorganised. I am NOT advocating riots or violence but send letters, demonstrate, organise payback, boycotts, pump up the media..........do something, anything. It seems to me the fans put up with a total lack of respect from these greed filled suits and do so happily (or not ) Sitting at your keyboards and playing "Union v Owners" day after day after day. There is not one of you either who can guarantee this won't be repeated in 5 or 6 years, that is what is so pathetic. It's part of the game cycle..........."oh we play 5 or 6 years and then suspend the sport for a season........thats hockey!" Here's a radical idea for the next time..........If you are going to lose a season get your retaliation in first, ABANDON THE GAME THE SEASON BEFORE THE NEGOTIATIONS and see how the NHL like it up them. I'm damned sure you would see the quickest settlement in history. Then threaten to do it every time if the negotiations are not settled in future while the season is in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 If this season is lost and nothing resolved, its possible the NHL might have to face an internal fight from teams within who may have suffered irreprerable damage to their franchise and are forced to abandon it. Owners who have invested millions, only to see it go down the tube due to a prolonged lockout.????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Thinking about length of contracts and variance. Someone above me here wrote that if the variance is small enough year to year, then there is no need for limits on the length. I agree, to a point, but there is also a point where even a 5% variance year to year adds up. Why not then, agree to the NHLPA's term maximums on contracts..but ALSO with a maximum variance that protects the 'spirit' of the cap? Seems like a no brainer to me. EDIT: also I have always thought Bettman was a slimeball who should be tossed to the wolves, now I am adding Fehr to that list of Lawyers (*pronounced Liars) who need to get out of pro sports. I hope in the end there is a 12 or 13 year CBA agreement, so we don't have to think about this crap for a long long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobble Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 One thing I don't understand is why the public/media isn't making a bigger deal about the owners wanting to rollback salaries without reimbursing the players for the money guaranteed by their contracts? Personally, I think that is unethical. I realize in the case of Zach Parise, its not like he would be hard hit, but considering the Wild owner was negotiating with promises of a huge contract with huge amounts of moneying, knowing very well when the CBA was up, he'd be arguing to cheat his way out of paying them the money while keeping the 13 years. I think players salaries need to be rolled back, with a reasonable contract limit and max variance on new signed contracts, but the owners should have to reimburse the players fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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