WHL rocks Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Does anyone know if bonuses get paid regardless of lockout? If not, then Weber's gigantic 26 million in 13 months gets nullified. I call that karma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MashedBananas Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Damn...... why wont those clowns get it together?? This isn't fair to the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 No mention of your hourly paid staff at the arena who are the hardest hit by this? Aren't you the General Manager of the entire organization? Excellent leadership there, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I wonder how many team's office staff are starting to think about joining a union, and negotiating a no lay- off due to work stoppage by players or owners clause.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Another thing I'm curious about is the lack of any response by the federal government. Seems in cases of strikes by folks the government steps in and orders folk back to work, but in the case of this multi-billion dollar industry's lockout they have said sfa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 In fairness, MG is speaking to the customers of the Canucks in this media release. Speaking about his employees is not necessary. I'm sure the team has updated the employees by issuing an in house memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 It is a press release covering certain topics that the organization wants to highlight; it's charitable work, the players, their commitment to the game, etc. Why not mention their other employees, as well as the players, affected by this situation? Because they don't want that talked about as it puts an even worse reflection on the cancellation. What makes you so sure they have issued this in house memo? Saying what? Sit back and hold tight, we'll let you know when you can earn money again? There is no escrow for these people and no strike pay. They get the shaft and have no say in the matter as it is not a reflection on their performance or of the profitability of the company. You'd think he would want to show public concern for the people affected by this stoppage the most, his staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyAL Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 The funny thing about this whole thing is everyone knows what is going to happen in the end and that's the players will crack and give in to the league. I side with the players on a lot of the issues but the bottom line is the owners don't need the NHL to make money, infact many of them make more money without running their teams. The players are just going to end up losing more if they wait it out, even if they manage to get a slightly better deal from the owners it won't make up for the money they lose if they are locked out for any significant amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 As you can see the release is titled " Dear Canucks Fans" or on can say Dear Canucks Customers. Not Dear Canucks Employees. This is a conversation with the customers. MG being the President of the business also speaks for the employees who work there. He is representing the employees and he does speak of them when he says "our entire staff". While staying at a Hotel you may see the following sign in the Lobby. Dear Guests, We are upgrading our facilities to ensure your future stay to be more pleasant. Our entire staff is working diligently to make your stay as comfortable as possible. We have limited Hotel improvement work to the hours between 12pm and 4pm. We apologize for any inconvenience etc etc etc... I don't think it would be necessary to add Due to the Top 2 floors being shut down for renovations many of our staff members have not had full time employment for the past week. We are sorry to the maids, bell boys and the front desk staff. Their financial situation worsening due to renovations of their workplace is regrettable. We want our customers to know we feel really sorry that our employees are not working full time. Edit. In the memo to his employees the company would not say "we'll let you know when you can earn money again". The laid off employees are free to apply and receive UI. They are also free to earn money by exploring other opportunities. They are not required to "sit back and do nothing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SamJamIam Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 It is a press release covering certain topics that the organization wants to highlight; it's charitable work, the players, their commitment to the game, etc. Why not mention their other employees, as well as the players, affected by this situation? Because they don't want that talked about as it puts an even worse reflection on the cancellation. What makes you so sure they have issued this in house memo? Saying what? Sit back and hold tight, we'll let you know when you can earn money again? There is no escrow for these people and no strike pay. They get the shaft and have no say in the matter as it is not a reflection on their performance or of the profitability of the company. You'd think he would want to show public concern for the people affected by this stoppage the most, his staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Actually you are missing the point entirely. It's called throwing a bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Actually I am not missing the point, You are missing the point of the media release. Having been a paying customer of the Canucks for almost 3 decades I get the point. The media release was directed towards me. The paying customer. Any staff member who didn't see a lockout coming is an idiot. Even the fans knew this was coming, no excuse for staff not to have known and prepared. If staff feel neglected because MG didn't personally write them to explain the lockout then staff have the option of moving on and find a better employer. No need to cry over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Who's to say he didn't privately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 The deal that could get this whole thing done: - HRR stays the same formula - 7 year deal, player's share drops 1% each year to end up at an equal 50% - Player actual salary is protected from lowering in real dollars this season and the cap stays at the $70 million - The ACTUAL cap is guaranteed not to lower below $64 million over the course of the deal (you pro-rate this amount over each of the last 6 years of the deal... the cap cannot lower more than a million per year) - an increase in revenue sharing amongst teams - 6 year limit on contract length - cap hit is the actual dollars paid in a year and not the average... or some complicated formula that protects against hugely front loaded contracts. Something like no year in a deal can pay more than double of the lowest year in the deal. This gives a lot from the players, but also pushes the league to have to grow revenues because if revenues shrink or don't grow at all, the player share stays higher because of the guaranteed cap amount. If the league does grow even at a modest pace of inflation, they drop the player share dramatically over the course of the deal. In the end it is going to look something like this, lets just hope that it is sooner rather than later. In the meantime I am going to enjoy watching the Heat and Wolves on Sportsnet on October 20th. I would love to have them televise our AHL games to get to have a good look at our prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gradin123 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 The funny thing about this whole thing is everyone knows what is going to happen in the end and that's the players will crack and give in to the league. I side with the players on a lot of the issues but the bottom line is the owners don't need the NHL to make money, infact many of them make more money without running their teams. The players are just going to end up losing more if they wait it out, even if they manage to get a slightly better deal from the owners it won't make up for the money they lose if they are locked out for any significant amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 The deal that could get this whole thing done: - HRR stays the same formula - 7 year deal, player's share drops 1% each year to end up at an equal 50% - Player actual salary is protected from lowering in real dollars this season and the cap stays at the $70 million - The ACTUAL cap is guaranteed not to lower below $64 million over the course of the deal (you pro-rate this amount over each of the last 6 years of the deal... the cap cannot lower more than a million per year) - an increase in revenue sharing amongst teams - 6 year limit on contract length - cap hit is the actual dollars paid in a year and not the average... or some complicated formula that protects against hugely front loaded contracts. Something like no year in a deal can pay more than double of the lowest year in the deal. This gives a lot from the players, but also pushes the league to have to grow revenues because if revenues shrink or don't grow at all, the player share stays higher because of the guaranteed cap amount. If the league does grow even at a modest pace of inflation, they drop the player share dramatically over the course of the deal. In the end it is going to look something like this, lets just hope that it is sooner rather than later. In the meantime I am going to enjoy watching the Heat and Wolves on Sportsnet on October 20th. I would love to have them televise our AHL games to get to have a good look at our prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckelhead70 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 LOL! They won't crack under Donald Fehr, in fact they can't unless Fehr approves and he won't. The players felt embarrassed by their union after the last lockout and hired the guy that broke Baseball owners for a reason. The owners are sadly mistaken if they think this will end as well for them as the last lockout did. And the NHLPA is setup in a way now where it is Mutiny Proof. Fehr's grip on the NHLPA is just as strong as Bettman's on the owners Forget replacement players. How about a replacement league led by the jilted by the NHL Wayne Gretzky. I'd be for it. Perhaps it could even be a North American expansion of the KHL. With Teams in Vancouver, Toronto, Edmonton, Calgary, Saskatoon, Quebec City, Hamilton, Minnesota, New York, Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh. 14 team league. 7 teams in the Canadian division and 7 in the American Division. The heck with the NHL! If it was part of the KHL there could be a yearly allstar game that brings all the top players together and the champion of the North American KHL could face the champion of Russian KHL in a World Championship Series. Let me end by saying this. I don't support a new league because I support the players side in this. I support a new league because I support the fans side in this. The new league would see lower ticket prices. Lets face it the players are overpaid but if the owners get what they want is there anyone here that thinks they will pass that savings onto the fans in the longrun? No, they just plan on pocketing more money of course. I think a new league would humble both sides and get hockey back to its roots. I'm sure it won't happen. At least not in the forseeable future but I think it needs to happen for hockeys longterm success. Just like the everygrowing debt in todays North American Society the current business model for the NHL is not a sustainable one in the longrun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wh!stler R!der Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 So.... If there is no hockey being played and no CBA talks going on. What the puck is Donald and Gary doing that is so important than the two things I just mentioned??? There isn't anything else you can do except continue to bridge the gap. Bill daly was in a meeting in Toronto actually today, so there was something..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gradin123 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 New league will not happen because the players will still want 57% of their own profits. I would love to see players try and start a new league, then they may realize the cost of hockey and how well they actually have it with someone else footing the expenses. Most of these owners own the buildings in cities you suggest teams are going to play, so that means the will be playing in Jr. hockey arenas about 6000 to 12 000 seats maybe.. Let the players run the NHL for one season with their own money, lets see what happens then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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