Michigan passes bill allowing concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, stadiums, churches

[Wetcoaster]

Not just the states but local jurisdictions like the city and county of San Francisco, or city of Chicago, or city/jurisdiction of Washington DC which pass their own ordinances with similar restrictions/bans.

It's not as if talking about gun bans are hyperbole when they are, in fact, passed in some form (direct democracy or legislation).

Requiring more stringent rules on firearm permits and such, while sensible, is not a form of gun control.

The most mind boggling thing is that when these incidents happen the first thing suggested is to make it more difficult for people, who would use a gun legally, of all things, to attain and protect themselves with one. Punishing the wrong people here.

[Mr. Ambien]

Instead of rejecting ideas, maybe you should come up with some solutions. Detectors might be expensive but is it more expensive than the huge chunks of money they waste annually on military? Of course, any solutions will be expensive. Might as well just do nothing and let these things happen. If they aren't going to put laws for gun control, they should at least do something to prevent school shootings. Rather than sitting on their asses and saying this is hard or that is expensive.

[stawns]

Well...in my view the Second Amendment is very important...as a matter of fact I see the Second Amendment as the one holding the other ones in place..because I see it like this...if the government is successful in taking away that right...and in the process eliminating the citizenry's means to defend themselves, what will be able to stop them from deciding to take away other rights? Like free speech, or expression, or religion (for those that practice it) or the freedom of assembly? With the populace disarmed, they would have no way to fight off an oppressive government...

[Mr. Ambien]

The US Supreme Court disagrees with you on your assertion that "Requiring more stringent rules on firearm permits and such, while sensible, is not a form of gun control." . See District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008).

Heller involved a federal enclave law (District of Columbia) and the US Supreme Court case of McDonald v. Chicago, 561 US 3025 (2010) involved a City of Chicago ordinance.

Since cities and municipalities derive their powers from the state, McDonald expanded the Heller doctrine to the state level (which in turn encompassed the impugned City of Chicago ordinance). Among the four city regulations found to be unconstitutional were those require that guns be registered prior to their acquisition by Chicago residents and the requirement that guns be re-registered annually, with another payment of the fee.

Subsequently the City of Chicago passed a regulation requiring firearms training in a shooting range in order to obtain a gun permit which was found unconstitutional in Ezell v. Chicago, decided July 6, 2011 by the US Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

http://www.ca7.uscou...mp/O31FF3YK.pdf

[Pouria]

Since you can make psychological diagnoses of an entire nation based clearly on your own biases I'm sure you're smart enough to figure it out on your own.

From other people and from government.

And what exactly would you suggest using to protect yourself against people with guns or other objects that can kill a person? Fists? Tell us Mr. Norris. A gun is a very easy way to protect self and family against a person or persons.

Or is it your belief that banning guns or any form of gun control stops people from committing or attempting murder?

[Scott Hartnell's Mane]

I understand why Americans feel the way they do about the second amendment, but that doesn't mean it makes sense, especially in the face of the experience of every other first world country.........What is it that Americans are so afraid of?

[Tearloch7]

Why would I waste time trying to convince someone who has already come to a conclusion? Sounds like stupidity to me.

[Pouria]

I understand why Americans feel the way they do about the second amendment, but that doesn't mean it makes sense, especially in the face of the experience of every other first world country.........What is it that Americans are so afraid of? You have 10 000+ gun deaths every year.......every year, we had, what, 83?

[stawns]

Dude what most Americans are afraid of...is the government, quite frankly...I'm not, mind you...but there are a lot who are...If you don't have a way to defend yourself, you no longer have the choice of whether or not to obey.

[EmployeeoftheMonth]

Why would I waste time trying to convince someone who has already come to a conclusion? Sounds like stupidity to me.

[Wetcoaster]

I understand why Americans feel the way they do about the second amendment, but that doesn't mean it makes sense, especially in the face of the experience of every other first world country.........What is it that Americans are so afraid of? You have 10 000+ gun deaths every year.......every year, we had, what, 83?

[Pouria]

Dude what most Americans are afraid of...is the government, quite frankly...I'm not, mind you...but there are a lot who are...If you don't have a way to defend yourself, you no longer have the choice of whether or not to obey.

[Wetcoaster]

That was my personal view, they are free to disagree with it all they like.

[Mr. Ambien]

So are all Americans armed to the teeth? Do all American household contain guns? It seems families in other countries can protect themselves fine without guns but it is only in US that they need guns to protect themselves. And we wonder why these shootings keep happening? To protect themselves...lol!

Canada and other countries seem to be doing fine with strict gun control and having lower gun violence than US. You seem to make fun of all the suggestions and not come up with any solutions. What is your solution? Nothing? If you don't have any solutions than you shouldn't be surprised or heart broken when these shootings occur. In your mind, it is impossible to do anything and every solution is either hard to implement or expensive.

[Mr. Ambien]

It's called a discussion. If you weren't wanting to have one doesn't it seem stupid to even be here?

[Scott Hartnell's Mane]

that is so far beyond ridiculous it's sad. This guy didn't shoot up a government office, he shot up a room full of children. The guy in Colorado didn't shoot up a the governors office, he shot up a movie theatre. Americans are not afraid of their government, they're afraid of each other.

[Scott Hartnell's Mane]

Here is a solution. Why don't they move if they are afraid of the government? If the government wants to kill you, that little gun won't protect you.

[stawns]

Ok first of all, bud...I wasn't talking about any of these recent incidents that have taken place, get me? I'm talking about the "pulse" of a good number of people in this country...do you not realize there are a group of idiot American conspiracy theorists who are CERTAIN that in March Barack Obama is going to sign the US's sovereignty over to the United Nations....getting rid of the guns altogether? People BELIEVE this nonsense. More Americans are paranoid of what they feel the government could do to them it's ridiculous...People here do, believe it or not, think that it is very plausible that Obama is a socialist, that he's a muslim, that he was born in kenya, that he's the anti-christ, and on and on and on...this level of intolerance CAUSES the American people...or a good number of them to be afraid of their government. You need to get a clue.

[Scott Hartnell's Mane]

I need to get a clue? You just made my argument for me.......I'm now unsure of what side of the debate you're on here.

[Mr. Ambien]

I'm a bit baked and forgot who I was responding to, ignore the last part kindly please.