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Usually these differences are simply matters of taste and opinion.

But in this case, Monty - you're simply wrong.

I won't even include the classics in this list that I'll ramble off the top of my head, like Mary Tyler Moore, Honeymooners, etc.

- Cheers

- Cosby Show

- Parks & Rec

- Seinfeld

- Curb

- Arrested Development

- The Office (UK)

- Extras

- Archer

- The IT Crowd

- Veep

- Freaks & Geeks

Those are all infinitely better than 30 Rock, and I haven't even started trying yet. Now to add insult to injury, here's a small list of shows that aren't comedies that have more humour in them than 30 Rock:

- Sherlock

- Breaking Bad

- Star Trek TNG

I wouldn't even put 30 Rock in top 20, let alone list it as "One of the Best TV Comedies of All-Time".

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I won't even include the classics in this list that I'll ramble off the top of my head, like Mary Tyler Moore, Honeymooners, etc.

- Cheers

- Cosby Show

- Parks & Rec

- Seinfeld

- Curb

- Arrested Development

- The Office (UK)

- Extras

- Archer

- The IT Crowd

- Veep

- Freaks & Geeks

Those are all infinitely better than 30 Rock, and I haven't even started trying yet. Now to add insult to injury, here's a small list of shows that aren't comedies that have more humour in them than 30 Rock:

- Sherlock

- Breaking Bad

- Star Trek TNG

I wouldn't even put 30 Rock in top 20, let alone list it as "One of the Best TV Comedies of All-Time".

It's just not for you, I guess, in the same way that Woody Allen's movies aren't that funny to some people, maybe

Me, I'd put 30 Rock ahead of almost everything you just listed--especially stuff like the Cosby Show and Cheers--two shows that couldn't possibly say anything to me about me or my life, especially in 2014. I liked them back in the day, but now? No thanks. 30 Rock perfectly satirized and teased out a whole whack of neuroticisms, insecurities, and issues I have, IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE EPISODE.

Yeah, it has lots of weak spots (Tracy Morgan's character was terrible and sucked the life out of almost every scene), and it had a handful of weak episodes, but I'd put it only behind Seinfeld and Curb, out of that list

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It's just not for you, I guess, in the same way that Woody Allen's movies aren't that funny to some people, maybe

Me, I'd put 30 Rock ahead of almost everything you just listed--especially stuff like the Cosby Show and Cheers--two shows that couldn't possibly say anything to me about me or my life, especially in 2014. I liked them back in the day, but now? No thanks. 30 Rock perfectly satirized and teased out a whole whack of neuroticisms, insecurities, and issues I have, IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE EPISODE.

Yeah, it has lots of weak spots (Tracy Morgan's character was terrible and sucked the life out of almost every scene), and it had a handful of weak episodes, but I'd put it only behind Seinfeld and Curb, out of that list

I think it's the timeless thing that really gets to me more than anything with 30 Rock. Where to you, Cheers and Cosby Show don't say anything to your life today, I still find them incredibly funny going back 25 years later. With 30 Rock, I just can't see it being a show people care about even now, let alone 20 years from now. It's just far from "Classic Comedy" to me.

And it's not that I don't like some of the actors in it. Tina Fey is/can be great, Alec Baldwin is fine, and Jane Krakowski absolutely stole every scene she was in. It's not like I didn't give it many chances; I've seen a fair share of the episodes. I just think it is incredibly overrated by those who like it.

The fans of the show actually bother me too, defending it like it's art or something. "Oh dude, you just don't get it man. I mean, if you got it, you would know it's truly amazing!" No, it's not amazing. It's a sitcom that has it's moments, but like many sitcoms, it's predictable and grows tiresome the longer it's on the air. How can a show actually get worse when you start adding characters portrayed by Kristen Schaal, Julianne Moore, Will Forte, and Elizabeth Banks?

The episodes just never seemed consistent to me. And perhaps I'd feel much different if they just stopped after 203 seasons. Looking back, Arrested Development, which is one of my favourite shows of all time, was given a blessing when it was cancelled. Although the 3rd season was weaker than the first 2, it went out at it's peak. And we saw how it turned out when they decided to add a 4th season last year, it just wasn't like it was. Very few comedies are as consistantly excellent as Seinfeld was, and was able to do it for 9 seasons. Most grow stale fairly quickly.

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i have recommended it to about 20 people and you are the ONLY one who has watched it, as far as i know. this is a moment of validation for me. i started to wonder if maybe the movie does suck and i was wrong.

i think the trailer totally gives the wrong impression that it's a tacky rom com or something. i found it pretty depressing and moving, to be honest. i should give it another watch

and definitely agree about Giamatti

Barney's Version is a very good movie, although I am not a big fan of Rosamund Pike. Speedman and Driver on the other hand, were very entertaining.

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Anyways, to bring this back to movies. Here's my rating for every Tina Fey film where she is lead, so excluding Mean Girls.

Every Tina Fey film: 3/10, at best. Look them up, she does not have a great track record.

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Anyways, to bring this back to movies. Here's my rating for every Tina Fey film where she is lead, so excluding Mean Girls.

Every Tina Fey film: 3/10, at best. Look them up, she does not have a great track record.

Most of them aren't good. But I actually liked Date Night.

...and since you didn't exclude animated films, Megamind was good too.

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Most of them aren't good. But I actually liked Date Night.

...and since you didn't exclude animated films, Megamind was good too.

I remember being underwhelmed by 'Date Night'; actually disappointed because I like both Carrell and Fey. I remember chuckling at 2 scenes, one with Marky Mark and one near the end when she was dressed like a stripper (forget exactly what happened). I remember Bill Burr was in it, but that's not enough for me to go back for a second viewing.

Megamind was not good.

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I remember being underwhelmed by 'Date Night'; actually disappointed because I like both Carrell and Fey. I remember chuckling at 2 scenes, one with Marky Mark and one near the end when she was dressed like a stripper (forget exactly what happened). I remember Bill Burr was in it, but that's not enough for me to go back for a second viewing.

Megamind was not good.

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I think it's the timeless thing that really gets to me more than anything with 30 Rock. Where to you, Cheers and Cosby Show don't say anything to your life today, I still find them incredibly funny going back 25 years later. With 30 Rock, I just can't see it being a show people care about even now, let alone 20 years from now. It's just far from "Classic Comedy" to me.

I think the Cosby Show is funny, and I always. I don't think it's timeless though, as the show hasn't been picked up by subsequent generations. And there hasn't been some new (or even sustained) critical interest in the show either. But I can't really think of any sitcom (other than Seinfeld) that has been picked up and adored by subsequent generations. So I dunno if I even buy into the idea of 'timeless sitcom comedy' at all

I have no idea if 30 Rock will become one of only a handful of shows to maintain its humour and appeal in decades to come. But I watched the entire series this year and found it hilarious and, yes, amazing, and honest, and extremely easy to relate to--unlike almost every other TV show I've ever watched.

But now that I'm thinking about it more, I think I'd also slot Frasier into my top 5, but that one too fell off (really hard) towards the end, once all the romance stuff took center stage. But Frasier in its prime is extremely, extremely difficult to beat, IMO.

Anyways, to bring this back to movies. Here's my rating for every Tina Fey film where she is lead, so excluding Mean Girls.

Every Tina Fey film: 3/10, at best. Look them up, she does not have a great track record.

now this just seems antagonistic.

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I think the Cosby Show is funny, and I always. I don't think it's timeless though, as the show hasn't been picked up by subsequent generations. And there hasn't been some new (or even sustained) critical interest in the show either. But I can't really think of any sitcom (other than Seinfeld) that has been picked up and adored by subsequent generations. So I dunno if I even buy into the idea of 'timeless sitcom comedy' at all

I have no idea if 30 Rock will become one of only a handful of shows to maintain its humour and appeal in decades to come. But I watched the entire series this year and found it hilarious and, yes, amazing, and honest, and extremely easy to relate to--unlike almost every other TV show I've ever watched.

But now that I'm thinking about it more, I think I'd also slot Frasier into my top 5, but that one too fell off (really hard) towards the end, once all the romance stuff took center stage. But Frasier in its prime is extremely, extremely difficult to beat, IMO.

now this just seems antagonistic.

I loved Seinfeld when it came out. But it just doesn't do it for me now. Find it pretty grating, TBH.

But still love Cosby Show and Frasier.

I don't know if 30 Rock will hold up for decades. But when it comes to characters, Jack Donaghy will almost certainly be timeless in my books. Just brilliant writing.

Why are you wearing a tux?

It's after six...What am I, a farmer?

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I loved Seinfeld when it came out. But it just doesn't do it for me now. Find it pretty grating, TBH.

But still love Cosby Show and Frasier.

I don't know if 30 Rock will hold up for decades. But when it comes to characters, Jack Donaghy will almost certainly be timeless in my books. Just brilliant writing.

Why are you wearing a tux?

It's after six...What am I, a farmer?

LMAO the bolded part.

See mother, not all species eat their young.

honestly, I just started watching Seinfeld again, from the very beginning, and I think it holds up very well. I even laughed at the early episodes. The intercut bits with Jerry's stand-up? Eh... no. But the show itself, I think, is still fantastic.

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hotel transylvania - 8/10

i really enjoyed this, even though it had 2 or 3 really terrible songs, a completely predictable plot, and a lot of toilet humour--which a lot of critics apparently had a problem with (45% on RT!)

but it's written by the same guy who did Arthur Christmas (which is a fantastic movie, and totally under-appreciated). the voice acting is a bunch of SNL guys, and the animation, i thought, was nice. i thought wolfman was hilarious in particular. watched it with a friend and we laughed throughout.

can't believe this gets a bad vote while ADD trash like Wreck It Ralph gets a passing grade because it tossed Sonic into its chaotic mess for 2 seconds

While I'll agree with you that Arthur Christmas is a very good cartoon/Christmas flick, I cannot agree with your thoughts on Hotel Transylvania. My wife and i just watched it and we both could not stop groaning. Really bad.

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While I'll agree with you that Arthur Christmas is a very good cartoon/Christmas flick, I cannot agree with your thoughts on Hotel Transylvania. My wife and i just watched it and we both could not stop groaning. Really bad.

yup. 7.1 on IMDB, but 45 on RT. definitely has a mixed reception. nothing i'd recommend because of that

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TheDissolve.com is Pitchfork's movie site, sorta. Although it's only under the same umbrella as Pitchfork, it's mostly a bunch of guys from the AV Club who write there. Either way, it's a pretty good site for content. Horrible layout though, IMO.

was browsing through there earlier and caught this review of the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which is now celebrating its 40th anniversary. Easily, without question, my pick for best/favourite horror movie. I find it totally unsettling each time I watch it. It's like It's a Wonderful Life of horror: a seasonal must.

The Dissolve reviewed the new special edition release of the movie. Definitely highlights some of the reasons why it's a fantastic movie, horror or not.

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As disgusting, harrowing, and ugly as the 1974 horror classic The Texas Chain Saw Massacre is, the film has moments of eerie beauty. Writer-director/producer Tobe Hooper and his co-writer/co-producer Kim Henkel assembled a cast and crew drawn from Austin-area film students and movie buffs, all of whom had ideas about how to bring their best to this grubby little slasher. Gunnar Hansen studied the movements and speech of the mentally handicapped to inform his portrayal of the hulking, masked killer “Leatherface.” Cinematographer Daniel Pearl laid what little pieces of track he had all over the set to add fluid movement and unusual angles. Hooper has claimed he was inspired by news coverage of Watergate and Vietnam, as well as by casually morbid pop songs like Loudon Wainwright III’s “Dead Skunk.” Put all that together, and The Texas Chain Saw Massacre becomes simultaneously assaultive and artful. Hooper fills the background of the movie with banal horrors—radio reports about raging fires and epidemics, and images of rusty junk and slaughterhouses—while Pearl executes gorgeously curving low-angle tracking shots, and finishes the film with a lovely scene of Leatherface twirling madly at sunrise with his roaring saw.

People remember the assaultive part of The Texas Chain Saw Massacre most, though. The movie follows the sweet-natured Sally Hardesty (played by Marilyn Burns) and her obnoxious paraplegic brother Franklin (Paul A. Partain) as they take a van trip with three of their shaggy friends to their family’s crumbling old homestead in the country. When two of the Hardestys’ pals make their way to a neighboring house to ask for some help, they’re separately surprised by Leatherface, who brains one with a hammer and hangs the other on a meathook, where she’s forced to watch her companion get hacked up by a chainsaw. The murders happen suddenly in The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, and while Leatherface isn’t graceful, he’s alarmingly quick, which makes the killing all the more unexpected. There’s none of the gradual build-up audiences usually experience with horror movies. The first victim walks into the house, peers down the dark foyer toward an open doorway—captured in a nifty series of quick-cuts that get closer and closer—and then before he has a chance to react, he’s twitching on the floor with a massive head-wound.

A lot about The Texas Chain Saw Massacre defies convention, including the way the official title spells “chainsaw.” Hooper had some pie-in-the-sky idea that he could get a PG rating for the movie, so there’s no nudity, very little profanity, and contrary to what most people who’ve seen the film may recall, relatively little blood and gore. Most of the action is set during the daytime—although the scenes at night are harrowing, in part because they’re shot with minimal light—and an early scene in which the quintet of heroes easily overpower a creepy hitchhiker suggests they have the advantage over any monster. But soon the friends are separated, night descends, and Leatherface is joined by the other members of his family, including a couple of familiar faces from earlier in the story. Before long, only Sally remains, to scream endlessly into the void.

Make no mistake: The Texas Chain Saw Massacre was unpleasant in 1974, and between all the shrieking, rural grotesques, and sheets of sweat coating the actors, it’s still uncomfortable to watch 40 years later. The opening narration by John Larroquette (yes, that John Larroquette) describes the events of the movie as having happened in the summer of 1973, and that’s true, because the cast and crew barely endured a grueling shoot in the Texas heat that summer, and their bedraggledness is documented in the film. But the hard work paid off in some rich visual textures—from mesmerizing lens flares to the exhaust fumes billowing off Leatherface’s chainsaw—which look better than ever in the latest 4K digital transfer. When an exhausted, terrified Sally sits in a gas-station office between an ominous open door and a hellish-looking barbecue pit, the scene is almost unbearably tense. But it’s also edited so crisply, and shot with such an overpowering sense of decay, that it’s hard not to look on all the dismemberment and despair and think, “Man, that’s pretty.”

Special features

Dark Sky’s new Texas Chain Saw Massacre 40th-anniversary set contains two Blu-rays, and two DVDs that echo their contents. The discs with the actual movie add four commentary tracks, amounting to six solid hours of not-all-that-fond memories of bickering and nausea. The secondary discs add hours of new and old documentaries, including one hourlong comprehensive doc featuring contentious interviews with the major members of the cast and crew (most of whom are still pissed that they didn’t make any money from a movie that became a massive hit), and one offbeat doc that compiles seven vignettes dealing with everything from Pearl’s cinematography to the strange post-film history of the murder-house. Hearing the reminiscences of these normal-sounding people—including the genteel Hansen—demystifies Texas Chain Saw to an extent, making the movie seem more like the work of young, rough artists, rather than a quasi-documentary about maniacs, shot by other maniacs. But when Burns talks about how the crew carelessly found a discarded dirty rag on the floor to serve as her gag in in one scene, and Hansen describes how foul he smelled by the end of the shoot, the movie’s docu-realistic qualities re-emerge. On one level, this is a film about miserable people, damn near killing themselves to make something lasting.

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In Fear 6/10

Another in a streak of mediocre horror. Simple premise, a few scares, well made for what I guess was a very low budget. That's about it. Maybe it was just reading the Texas Chainsaw article (great piece btw) but I'm frustrated that I can't remember the last time a horror movie totally blew me away. Leaving aside Cabin in the Woods (more of a metahorror comedy) the last I can remember was The Descent and that's coming up on ten years old.

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