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Tortorella, Crawford or Ruff is exactly what this team needs.

Concerning Burke, I agree that it would be nice. What is nice about it is he never got a goaltender but built incredible teams. In this case, he would already have two great goaltenders to start with.

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it was even more obvious that we have NO puck possession / puck distribution behind the first line!

Our best 3, by far, puck possession players who can dangle and control the puck all play on one line! For all the hoopla about a "3rd line defensive centre," what we really need is a Mike Ribiero not a Goc or Steve Ott type.

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The part I like about Merci's deal is obviously the two centers he has proposed. Obviously I like Goc, and Matthias has been my second choice. He's a decent faceoff guy for a young center (very close to 50% the last two years - slipped a bit this year, probably due to facing stronger centers with the injuries to the Panthers). I also liked his underlying numbers last year - fairly even for a young center, and again this year. I thin too many people poopoo Matthias because he 'only' scored 24 points last year, but I thought that was fairly impressive considering his role and the lack of scoring depth on the very low scoring Panthers.

If the Panthers were going to part with a pair of roster centers like Goc and Matthias they may want a center in return. Those two players are not enough salary leaving Florida to help them satisfy their budget constraints. I'm also not really interested in Clemmensen - if he's included, it's as a convenience/cap dump for Florida imo - not taking up the value of (a 2nd? - uh no.)

Luo and Schroeder would require a lot more return imo - I'd add Ebbett for depth considering Panthers injuries (and the unlikeliness he plays here if two roster centers are acquired), as well as the need for a roster space.

I'd want Goc, Matthias, Petrovic, and I'd take Upshall as both a contract concession, but also because in the absence of Booth, I think he could be quite valuable. I don't see the point of throwing in a 2nd from our end - our prospect pool needs the pick more than the Panthers do, and the Panthers select much higher in the draft anyhow. If that deal were to take another form, imo it would have to include young players the Panthers would be less willing to part with, so I see that deal as fair, if not ideal compromise on both sides.

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Your 'solution' is entirely counterintuitive.

I mean really - Ribiero? Just a terrible option in so many ways.

First, you complain about a lack of puck posssession and then suggest bringing in a terrible faceoff guy. I could live with his faceoff weakness if he were 22 years old but as a veteran, no thanks.

And then once he's lost the faceoff, he's also owns the worst relative corsi (the rookie Johansson aside) on the Capitals - in other words - he loses the territorial and possession game all the time, and isn't exactly the guy you'd want to be counting on to win back possession.. Not only that, but he's spoon fed offensive zone starts, which only makes the context of his relative corsi that much worse -and he faces a weak quality of competition. We don't have the third and fourth lines to create all this possession for guys like Ribiero to suckle off. The Canucks are struggling to gain the ozone advantage for their top line, let alone bring in a liability like Ribiero to center the second line... that would only exacerbate the problem. Soft, overpaid, one way player who is exactly what the Canucks don't need, not to mention that he's a rental The perfect place for Ribiero is on a poor or struggling team like the Caps in a non hockey market where the fans don't know how bad their flashy star is. 5 playoff goals in 42 lifetime playoff games seals the absolutely no deal.

Goc on the other hand - wins faceoffs, wins the territorial and puck possession battle, scores at a 30-40 point clip, makes only 1.7, isn't a UFA - low ozone starts, positive relative corsi, strongest quality of competition - great value for his contract. People who suggest that Goc isn't what the Canucks need don't really know what they are talking about.

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Goc would be great for the bottom six but in reality the Canucks could use someone to set up Kesler. Ribiero wouldn't be coming in as the second line center. He'd play the wing on a line with Kesler and either Booth, Kassian or Burrows. He's a pure playmaker that would complete the second line. Kesler's Selke trophy proves that he's one of the best defensive forwards in the game today and it would make Ribiero's defensive play largely unnoticeable. The top six would be complete:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows

Booth-Kesler-Ribiero

Raymond-???-Hansen

Higgins-Lapierre-Kassian

I don't know about you, but as long as Gillis can also add a reliable third line center, this looks like a Stanley Cup caliber forward group to me.

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I want a goalie coming back. He's young and I think we could do better with him than FLA. He'd be like a project, even though he's like 23. If not him then Clemmensen or Theodore, I'd rather have Markstrom then either of them though

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I was at a meeting between Lawerence Gillman and some of the higher profile buisness partners the team has before the Detroit game. Gillman was very candid knowing that nobody would be recording this information. I will leave you guys with a few tidbits.

-He reiterated that Luongo will not be given away for free, he will solidify any goaltender situation for the next 6-7 years

-He also discussed how Luongo did ask for a trade after last season but has been a great soldier

-He also emphasized that Cory Schneider is not untouchable in the least and they have been listening to offers from him

-The primary asset they want at the deadline is a 3rd line center (two way center etc)

-Don't expect a trade because every team thinks they are in the race. He did say Buffalo and Florida were completely out of the

mix

-Some moron asked about Vinny Lecailver. To quote Gillman "Vinny's give a s*** meter this season is zero"

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I don't think this team can afford to not get a good young centre out of the goalie trade, and the only chance that happens is a schneider trade.

we need a player like stroke from NYI, in the offseason I would even do strome straight up for schneids. NYI needs a goalie desperstely and we need a good young center that can play with speed, heart and skill...

other options would be B.schenn, or couturier + something else... or a pick where we can draft a guy like sean Monohan, but my frist choice would be strome

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Regardless of whether Ribiero plays center in Kesler's absence, or on his wing, I wouldn't go anywhere near him. As a linemate/winger for Kesler I'd prefer a guy who can hold his own defensively - actually take some of the workload off Kesler in that sense - as well as be a decent passer, relatively physical along the boards, and have good vision/pass the puck well. A generally more balanced two way right wing, who if necessary, can also allow that line to shut people down. I think that is they type of player Kassian is going to develop into. In the short term, I'd much rather sacrifice a measure of the pure playmaker aspect (Ribiero may have that, but the rest of his game is a compromise). I think the ideal linemate/winger for Kesler was Doan - a player like Brown (who was on the block last year) or (although he's a LW) Brendan Morrow. Morrow is a 4.1 cap hit - and the price, considering Ribiero's points this season, would probably be similar imo. I'd love to see that kind of two-way, no nonsense presence on Kesler's wing - a respected, character guy who changes the nature of Kesler's game, has the skill to complement Kesler, and frees him up somewhat by bringing another strong physical presence to his line. Those guys create space in a way Ribiero doesn't, and they're all capable of putting up 30 or 40 assists.

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