MoneypuckOverlord Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Florida is not trading a 21 yr old 6'5" stud Dman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 what if they canucks targetted soupy campbell from florida to run our PP and jumpstart our offense. campbell - florida eats 2mil of his cap 5.1mil caphit shore - least desireable of their big 4 prospects (bjustad,shore,huberdeau,gudbranson) kopecky/upshall/goc/ whoever they want to capdump for luongo canucks then flip ballard for a draftpick. hamhuis bieksa edler tanev campbell garrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 21 year old stud mans are easier to find then a all star goalie these days. This is no joke. Mike Gillis understand the value of Luongo. If you want a young centerman, or a young dman, chances are you can get one, by finishing pretty low, and using your high pick on one. Dman or centerman. That being said, the same cannot be said for a goalie. They take years to develop. This is why Gillis values Luongo so highly. Lets say they do fall out of the playoff spot, they trade for Luongo, they lose out on Gudbranson. They can easily get another stud dman through the draft. But not an all star goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckfan85 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 gubranson is no stud d man, currently he has not even performed to the level of Chris Tanev. Gubranson is a big Right shot D man who is young. No offensive upside, has not logged big top 4 minutes yet consistently (he has logged top 4 minutes inhalf of the games he has played this year) so he is projected to be an good shut down d man, not a franchise D man. Luongo and Schneider on the other hand are franchise players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Ok, here's another angle. Injuries took out the Canucks against Boston and against L.A. a Canucks team without Daniel (premeditated elbow to the head, otherwise stuningly healthy) had no chance. Conversely, outside of Horton, the Bruins were relatively healthy and firing on all cylinders while a fully healthy L.A. team went 16-4 to win the Cup. And you want to add two high salaried, injury prone players to play alongside Booth and Kesler, who themselves have their high shares of injuries. This team does not need more injury prone players. In fact, that is one reason Salo isn't in a Canucks uniform any longer. What this team needs is a legitimate 1C to play 2C, not a 3C playing 2C. It needs a T1D to lead this defense; not defense by committee. That's a given in the playoffs but a team needs a Chara, Doughty type player to intimidate and lead from the back-end. This team is in desperate need of secondary scoring and Kesler does not provide that from IR, nor does he provide that when playing. He'll get the points, but his teammates are left out to dry. By acquiring a legitimate 1C to play in Kesler's position, one gains not one scorer but three as the second line's wings are then utilized. This team needs to trade Kesler or put him at 3C and DEFEND against the opppsition's best lines. He is a superstar at that and then some. At 2C, he is hampering production. If according to Gillis Kassian is "the guy", then permanently put "the guy" with the Sedins for absolute protection, thereby increasing production from them. This team needs a shakeup with a coaching change. This isn't a country club; it's a hockey team. Mark Crawford would certainly do the job, as well as Ruff. What this team certainly does not need, is some of Florida's scraps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stexx Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Yeah... Lets put a T1D on the third pairing... If Campbell comes in, it's gonna look more like this: HAMHUIS - CAMPBELL EDLER - BIEKSA GARRISON - TANEV VAN Campbell FLA Schneider Florida doesn't do it because Campbell is Tallon's man from way back in Chicago, but THAT Makes sense for both teams as Florida gets a YOUNG franchise goaltender and Vancouver gets a Cup winning T1D they desperately need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Campbell would transform this team from pretender to contender. Such a smooth skater, and dominant on the powerplay. Unfortunately, Tallon absolutely loves him. He's probably one of the last guys he would wanna trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Yeah... Lets put a T1D on the third pairing... If Campbell comes in, it's gonna look more like this: HAMHUIS - CAMPBELL EDLER - BIEKSA GARRISON - TANEV VAN Campbell FLA Schneider Florida doesn't do it because Campbell is Tallon's man from way back in Chicago, but THAT Makes sense for both teams as Florida gets a YOUNG franchise goaltender and Vancouver gets a Cup winning T1D they desperately need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 .... And another dozen teams... Therefore, the Canucks can do better than a franchise goaltender for a 3C. But at least it's not a Florida or Toronto proposal so good on you. I like the deal, though it doesn't help the Canucks get a Cup any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockNroLLa. Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 We definitely agree on that one... No more FLA crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Campbell would transform this team from pretender to contender. Such a smooth skater, and dominant on the powerplay. Unfortunately, Tallon absolutely loves him. He's probably one of the last guys he would wanna trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockNroLLa. Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 It might be time for Gillis to swallow his pride and just accept a cap dump. If that's the only thing keeping a deal from getting done, then he's gotta just do it, and deal with that salary later. Either through a buyout or trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I'd love to get Campbell. If Florida is still well out of a playoff spot at the trade deadline do you think Luongo for Campbell + Goc and maybe something else would work? Then maybe we could package up Ballard for a guy like Zack Smith if Ottawa drops out of the playoff race Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Booth - Kesler - Raymond Higgins - Smith - Hansen Goc - Lapierre - Kassian Hamhuis - Campbell Edler - Tanev Bieksa - Garrison Schneider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 This team wouldn't be a contender without Kesler. Trading Kesler is one of the stupidest things we can do. Kesler had 1 set of injuries he never let fully heal, then this latest injury could happen to anyone. His injury problems, aswell as Booths. This team is fine, we need to add some pieces and make a coaching change, not take away key pieces and an elite two-way player in Kesler. We also don't need another Dman. Our defense as a group are jump under preforming, Edler and Hamhuis are both top pair defenseman and then the rest of our group, Bieksa, Ballard, Tanev and Garrison are all top 4 defenseman. Our defense needs to play better, we have the personnel. That would be the stupidest thing, another thing we don't need is 2 goalies, we need 1. Schneider is cheaper and doesn't have a sketchy playoff history, he is also younger and the better option moving forward, this team need a 3C and a guy who can replace what Manny brough, Goc brings both. So if we can solve our goaltending issue, add to our biggest need, and add some future pieces on top of it. I would jump all over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Again... If a combination is Schneider/ Kesler gets you a star that can better fit the 2C position then you pull the trigger. I would even do a Schneider/ Kesler/ Edler/ + package to a team to get their two - three best players. Backstrom Ovechkin Carlsson Tavares Boyes Streit Ladd Kane Byfuglien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 That's right. So far there are close to no indication Luongo wants to go anywhere but Florida while Gillis' asking price is immense but fair; a price Tallon does not want to pay an in the grand scheme of the franchise, cannot afford. To me, it is an indication that Gillis is actually not looking to trade Luongo at all. While Schneider is much more movable and there are more rumblings of phone calls regarding the young goaltender than for Luongo, Gillis' price for Schneider is as immense as that for Luongo; it would take a heavy and right package to convince Gillis to move either. What I find hilarious is the fans who want a trade for the sake of a trade and/or just getting rid of Luongo for pocket change because they have a hard time sleeping at night. For those fans; keep in school and chose wisely so you can have job security in a 9-5 job for the rest of your life; most likely at the government where tokenism is practiced in exchange for personal security. That way you're sure your heart won't explode by the time you're an adult. And most of all, stay out of business, the stock market, real estate, intellectual property acquisition/creation; not fo u. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 What?? You do know who Ryan Strome is, right? I don't even know if you could get him for that but if so, gillis takes it and runs. The deal makes perfect sense and ensures our cup window doesn't close. Sure we could trade him for a veteran sniper that we can't eventually keep.. But what about when hamhuis tries to hipcheck Lucic again? Or one of our best players goes down.. Like gillis said, it's not about loading up only to turn into a bottom feeder in a couple years. It's better to draft and develop a team with longevity that can get in the playoffs for 20yrs in a row. We can shore up our team in other ways after a deal like that. I'd be comfortable trading our first this year in a package for an impact player if we acquired a star like Strome and a good young feisty bastard like Martin.. They would fit our long term plan now and later. Strome suits us better than Schneider long term and Martin suits us better than Schroeder short term. We just need to shore up the team via other trades And wtf man, I made a Schneider deal.. Your supposed to say "finally people are starting to realize luongo is the dopest cat ever to walk the seawall" hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Ebbett hasn't done anything, Sauvé hasn't proven anything at all and Luongo has a "mammoth contract" yet they're trying to unload salary. Goc has never played a full season in this league, Upshall is on IR.... again.... and Petrovic is a ROOKIE with a lot of upside who didn't make a rebuilding team nor its affiliate AHL team. Great value. FLA Luongo VAN 18,200 garbage bags The Vancouver Panthers. Lets please look at other options than Florida, Toronto and Luongo. This team needs the hell of a lot different pieces than what Florida could and is willing to offer, Toronto is satisfied with their team for the moment and have not been keen on paying Gillis' price at all under Burker AND Nonis, and Luongo is rumored to have nixed both a Toronto and a Chicago trade; he does not want to leave and his comment about waiving his NTC IF it helps the team was taken out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I'd love to get Campbell. If Florida is still well out of a playoff spot at the trade deadline do you think Luongo for Campbell + Goc and maybe something else would work? Then maybe we could package up Ballard for a guy like Zack Smith if Ottawa drops out of the playoff race Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Booth - Kesler - Raymond Higgins - Smith - Hansen Goc - Lapierre - Kassian Hamhuis - Campbell Edler - Tanev Bieksa - Garrison Schneider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Gillis' asking price for Lou is"immense" but it might not be a fair price if no team is or has been willing to step up and pay. You can ask whatever you want for your very nice car, but it might just not be worth what you think it is. I believe there is more interest in schneids because he has greater upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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