thad Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 What ownership and management needs to do right now is to assure the other 29 franchises that Luongo will not be bought out no matter what. And if tabling Schneider is needed to meet the cap, so be it. Other GM's might at least start to table offers for Schneider and we might get some good offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I'm still going to say Calgary should get on in that action PHI Cammalleri (flames retain 3mil) Calgary 1st round 22nd overall Calgary Bryz Couturier PHI 1st round 11th overall Flames replace Kipper and Camo get out as he would like. in return of taking on Bryz's scary contract they get Couturier and swap picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 So now that TO has their goaltenders set for the upcoming year, will we see a 180 from TO media as they'll pump up Luongo's value saying how expensive he was/is and how they got such a great deal for Bernier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 From Eklund (it makes sense) "Prepare yourself...There are going to be many more Luongo rumors today, but know this...from what I am told there aren't any teams now willing to trade for him, but there are many willing to wait to see if he is to be bought out..." Yeah. Writings on the wall. No way ownership buys him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Calgary would need to clear more cap than that, especially if they keep $3M of Cammalleri's contract (salary and cap hit equivalents). I guess if Kipper does retire it'd help them too but then they'd still be looking to replace some pretty big holes left in the top 6 (losing Iginla and Cammalleri) and they'd likely take up a good chunk of their space with some UFA signings or trades involving picks/prospects for top 6 talent. They have some good youth but they'd be taking a step back relying on them alone - unless their plan is to tank for McDavid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I think you're reading too much into that. After Toronto dicked us around at the deadline and Reimer played pretty well down the stretch I don't think many of us thought they were a likely Luongo destination any more. I was even surprised they took Bernier now considering a similar deal for Luongo was rumoured at the deadline but who knows what their logic is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I remember back in the day (Luongo trade discussion 1.0) When some of you silly buggers threw names around like Tavares, Hamonic, Bjugstad, Gudbranson, Couturier, huberdeau. I made fun of all of you calling you all crazy I said I'd be happy with nothing in return, just that ugly contract gone. Then you all laughed at ME calling ME crazy!! Haha Now we are talking about trading for crap with the purpose of buyouts Haha, I told you silly buggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Probably because Bernier has more upside than Lou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Yeah I agree they definitely will have some major holes next season. Kipper will most likely not be coming back, I truly (and everyone else in Calgary) think ownership is way out to lunch if they believe Calgary will be making a run for playoffs next season. Cammalleri will be gone at the end of this next season as he will not likely be signing an extension. So realistically I do think it's time for them to take a step back as you put it, the last four years of trying to remain playoff competitive has taken it's toll on the team and they have nothing to show for it. They need to start building a team that can remain playoff competitive for years to come rather than try to squeak in every year. Calgary really needs to take advantage this off season and grab some youth to build around. There prospect pool isn't exactly deep and by adding a Couturier, a 6th overall pick (Lindholm/Nurse) and a 11th overall pick (Horvat/ Zadorov) it would be some good pieces to build around. With Jankowski and Baertschi already in the system that would be a good future core to work around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noheart Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 It's a bit early for the I told you so-ing friend. Back in version 1.0 of this thread, there was a different CBA - a different playing field for GMs - and I think that list you compiled has a couple of tiers of assets to it - a few of them unreasonable, a few not so much so. Regardless, I still think that Luongo is going to bring in a quality young asset and a pick. The Toronto lobby can prattle and chirp all they want - there are still more teams needing goaltending than goaltenders available - and they oddly enough just added an unexpected team to that market (themselves) and a primary asset out of it. So what are NYI, Philly, Minnesota etc shopping for at this point? The talk of taking on a buyout is simply a matter of opportunity - to essentially buy a boatloat of young asset value. Buyout dumped in or not, Luongo alone will still command a quality young prospect and a high round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Philly - if they buyout Bryz they will want a goalie. why in the hell would they replace him with another crazy contract? Especially if they use the other buyout for briere NYI - would probably give up some talent if someone took Dipetro. if not, no deal, and again why replace a horrible contract with a horrible contract. Min - have no idea why they would replace an old goalie with a slightly less old goalie. FLA - if they wanted to make a team made up of players who only have bad contracts this could be possible. Edm - I have no idea what that crazy bugger MacT is up too, I believe they are far more likely than others since MacT is in fact crazy and he kinda/ not really needs a goalie. If people say Min why not EDM Calgary - They are rebuilding but then again JF is the worst GM in hockey IMO Col - goaltending is not the problem. They need a blue line NJ - is on the verge of going under. All of this plus there are like 70 goalies available with decent numbers this summer who are not even close to the risk Luongo is with his massive contract. I also said back in version 1 that he will never be traded and here we are today, you have to wonder if Gillis had the option would Cory be gone already? Darn tootin If MG can somehow make a deal without taking back $$ in some way shape or form he will be forever known as the greatest GM in the history and future of the Universe Luongo as is = unmovable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avicii Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Anyone find the signing of Ericsson a bit strange? I mean, Schneider is like what, 27 or something? If he's "supposedly" our starter, why the hell do we need Ericsson AND Lack? Yes, free prospects is one thing, but still. I mean, this has to raise a few eyebrows, no? There is no way Gillis told Ericsson that Schneider was the #1, because then why the hell would he sign here? So he can be backup for the next 10 years? Luongo is going to retire in the next like 3-4 seasons anyways.. Seems like the absolute perfect amount of time for Lack/Ericsson to groom into starters? I don't know, just seems a little fishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Minny just announced resigning Backstrom. IMO NYI, Philly and Florida are still in the equation. Ballard would be bought out before Lou. As comfortable as Van is with Schneider's future other clubs probably have a more wait and see attitude. Not saying they wouldn't trade for him but their offers might not be as big as Canuck fans expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I personally could care less if they have to take back $$ - I've always thought it was reasonable to take someone like Upshall - and with the compliance buyouts, the cap drop, the lockout b.s., and a couple of first round exits, I think it's reasonable that ownership might make an investment at an opportune time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Anyone find the signing of Ericsson a bit strange? I mean, Schneider is like what, 27 or something? If he's "supposedly" our starter, why the hell do we need Ericsson AND Lack? Yes, free prospects is one thing, but still. I mean, this has to raise a few eyebrows, no? There is no way Gillis told Ericsson that Schneider was the #1, because then why the hell would he sign here? So he can be backup for the next 10 years? Luongo is going to retire in the next like 3-4 seasons anyways.. Seems like the absolute perfect amount of time for Lack/Ericsson to groom into starters? I don't know, just seems a little fishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGER SINGH Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Anyone find the signing of Ericsson a bit strange? I mean, Schneider is like what, 27 or something? If he's "supposedly" our starter, why the hell do we need Ericsson AND Lack? Yes, free prospects is one thing, but still. I mean, this has to raise a few eyebrows, no? There is no way Gillis told Ericsson that Schneider was the #1, because then why the hell would he sign here? So he can be backup for the next 10 years? Luongo is going to retire in the next like 3-4 seasons anyways.. Seems like the absolute perfect amount of time for Lack/Ericsson to groom into starters? I don't know, just seems a little fishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avicii Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 *8-9 years LENGTH: 12 YEAR(S) VALUE: $64,000,000 TYPE: STANDARD EXPIRY STATUS: UFA SEASON AHL SALARY NHL SALARY P. BONUSES S. BONUS CAP HIT 2010-11 $10,000,000 $10,000,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2011-12 $6,716,000 $6,716,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2012-13 $6,714,000 $6,714,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2013-14 $6,714,000 $6,714,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2014-15 $6,714,000 $6,714,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2015-16 $6,714,000 $6,714,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2016-17 $6,714,000 $6,714,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2017-18 $6,714,000 $6,714,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2018-19 $3,382,000 $3,382,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2019-20 $1,618,000 $1,618,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2020-21 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2021-22 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I'm surprised there is still something to talk about, in a way, as this will come to a conclusion in the next 6 days one way or another. It just seems ridiculous to me to make definitive statements about who/what can and can't happen when we are entering an unprecedented 48 hours after the SCF. This situation is unique for the NHL. Therefore using past models is innately flawed, predicting the business model for multiple high profile teams, and trying to get in the head of players/management, is folly. All we have are possibilities. I don't understand how anyone can use words like 'unmovable', 'guaranteed' and 'I told you so.' There are too many variables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbal23 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Anyone find the signing of Ericsson a bit strange? I mean, Schneider is like what, 27 or something? If he's "supposedly" our starter, why the hell do we need Ericsson AND Lack? Yes, free prospects is one thing, but still. I mean, this has to raise a few eyebrows, no? There is no way Gillis told Ericsson that Schneider was the #1, because then why the hell would he sign here? So he can be backup for the next 10 years? Luongo is going to retire in the next like 3-4 seasons anyways.. Seems like the absolute perfect amount of time for Lack/Ericsson to groom into starters? I don't know, just seems a little fishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 *8-9 years LENGTH: 12 YEAR(S) VALUE: $64,000,000 TYPE: STANDARD EXPIRY STATUS: UFA SEASON AHL SALARY NHL SALARY P. BONUSES S. BONUS CAP HIT 2010-11 $10,000,000 $10,000,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2011-12 $6,716,000 $6,716,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2012-13 $6,714,000 $6,714,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2013-14 $6,714,000 $6,714,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2014-15 $6,714,000 $6,714,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2015-16 $6,714,000 $6,714,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2016-17 $6,714,000 $6,714,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2017-18 $6,714,000 $6,714,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2018-19 $3,382,000 $3,382,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2019-20 $1,618,000 $1,618,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2020-21 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 2021-22 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $5,333,333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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