Canada Hockey Place Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Trying to be creative here. Might be a bit complicated. I've read MIN might be looking to but-out Heatley, are interested in a top 4 D and a top 2 C. PHX is looking for scoring but cash strapped. Basically VAN pays $2.5m* (see explanation below), trades Ballard and negotiating rights to pending UFAs to move up 12 spots in the in the draft. To MIN: Ballard, Roy (rights) To PHX: Heatley*, Raymond (rights), VAN 1st (24th) To VAN: PHX 1st (12th) *VAN retains 1/2 of Heatley's $5m actual salary, PHX gets $7.5m cap hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Ohhh my head hurts....ok so van gets nothing but a pick out of this and eats a 2.5 million cap hit for years while still having to pay the ELC for this draft pick while still being cap strapped to signt he other what, 9 players to round out the roster with no space at all. Possible trade that would work in theory....if we had the cap space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apples Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Not a bad trade for Van, gets rid of our garbage and upgrades our 1st overall pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 Ohhh my head hurts....ok so van gets nothing but a pick out of this and eats a 2.5 million cap hit for years while still having to pay the ELC for this draft pick while still being cap strapped to signt he other what, 9 players to round out the roster with no space at all. Possible trade that would work in theory....if we had the cap space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 No. Heatley is on his last year. Ballard has 2 years left. Canucks save $1.7m next season/$5.9m overall . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 ... *VAN retains 1/2 of Heatley's $5m actual salary, PHX gets $7.5m cap hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Not only can we not retain any part of a player's salary that wasn't ours to begin with, the % of cap and salary retained must be equal. I wouldn't do it even if we could just to move up 12 spots in the draft. I'd rather trade the rights to Roy and Raymond for 5th/6th/7th round picks, move Ballard for a 3rd/4th/5th and keep our 24th overall for ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFanMike Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Not bad but PHX wins this trade.... They are going to have to give up more than just the 12th overall pick to justify what they are getting back. While Heatley is getting old, he is still a solid top six player in my opinion, plus they get Raymond who has potential to be a solid point-producer and a pick only 11 spots deeper in a deep draft. Yotes win this deal, both MIN and VAN lose even though we dump our garbage which I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Solid for us and Phoenix. And I'm thinking it's solid for Minny as well since they get some cap relief were they could upgrade on certain positions (defense). Not to mention they have guys like Zucker and Coyle who could easily replace Heatley if not this year then certainly in the next 2-3 years. Nice job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Not bad but PHX wins this trade.... They are going to have to give up more than just the 12th overall pick to justify what they are getting back. While Heatley is getting old, he is still a solid top six player in my opinion, plus they get Raymond who has potential to be a solid point-producer and a pick only 11 spots deeper in a deep draft. Yotes win this deal, both MIN and VAN lose even though we dump our garbage which I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 How does Phoenix win this trade? Raymond is a UFA at the end of the season, if the Yotes want him, they can sign him for free. Heatley + 24 for 12 is an awful deal for the Coyotes. Minny also says no, they can just compliance buyout Heatley and not have to take the cap dump in Ballard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Appreciate the response. I would think in this case Heatley is traded to VAN then to PHX. So, however brief 100% of that contract is VAN's. But you are correct in that VAN has to keep 50% of the cap hit too. Which I misunderstood. But still considering it's less than Ballard's hit and 1 year less, i still think there still may be a deal in there somewhere. In which case the 1st going to PHX would be changed to a lower pick ie. 3rd. As you have already stated you wouldn't do it. I think I might. As I'd rather move up slightly in the 1st round vs quantity in the later rounds for this draft and don't think the negotiation rights will bring back anything on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Minny wants to say no but just gave up $44 million in signing bonuses over the last 13 months to 2 players and cannot eat almost $20 million more without filing for bankruptcy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merely Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 That is good, but we never play our first rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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