Warhippy Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 So lately I have heard a fair bit of complaining about the lack of size in our system. I can see how some might think, oh my god...Schroeder and Ebbet and Sweatt are smurfs that get tossed off of the puck. Now normally I am all for skill over size but in todays NHL I can see why some people are all about hulking brutes over skilled little guys especially seeing Boston, San Jose, LA and St Louis just destroy competition via brute force at times. But really. Is our prospect system really that lacking in these ham fisted knuckle dragging bull hogs people demand slap on skates and pirhouette like a figure skater? I did some checking and I can see that maybe, just maybe we are trending in the other direction from peoples comlaints. Jensen is a big skilled winger whose biggest issue might currently be the entire teams biggest issue. No mean streak at all and seems to avoid the big hit. Obviously he hasn't played much North American hockey but a year of conditioning in the AHL can change that really fast. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/nicklas_jensen/ Grenier is huge. I mean the kid is massive and once he starts skating he really won't be stopped. watching highlights of his game it is impressive the vision he shows, but more importantly is how he turned it on during the playoffs in the Q. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/alexandre_grenier/ Archibald is a work in progress but again packs alot of agility onto a big frame. I mean he is impossible to knock off of the puck and has a solid slapper http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/darren_archibald/ Stefan Schnieder, not the best or flashiest forward out there but admittedly he never gives up, is defensively sound and by other players reports a demon to play against because he uses that size and ridiculous wingspan to shut down both the player and their stick. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/stefan_schneider/ Brendan Gaunce, what more can be said about him. Most people and analysts see him filling into a big frame and becoming a teams ideal 2nd/3rd line center. Smart on the ice, wicked wrister. Possibly one of the better draft picks Gillis has ever made http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/brendan_gaunce/ Joey Labate, nobody will confuse him with Jumbo Joe Thorton at all but this kid is mean. Size and anger on skates, he hits hard he is a pitbull on the puck and most agree he was hampered going through the school systems and college affiliates instead of jumping into junior http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/joseph_labate/ Kellen Lain, prize college pick up...well only college pick up for Gillis. Strong on the puck, big guy loads of PIMs. Some again think a year or two in a major affilaite such as ECHL AHL will do wonders for him. Projects into a strong 4th line center and just needs to work on his skating abilities. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/kellan-lain/ I mean, honestly I look at some of the size in our forward group coming into play and properly developed I question whether or not the people demanding cavemen on skates really have a clue what they`re asking after. All of these aforementioned players are 6 foot 3 and larger, 200 pounds and heavier. While nobody in their right mind is going to say that these kids will all fill in the roster in the near future nobody can argue that we couldn`t slot in one of these larger bodies between the 1st through 4th lines. The meat behind this post is that in the upcoming draft we have the possibility of drafting some absolutely stunningly skilled forwards, who have dropped in the rankings based mostly on their size. Schroeder, Ebbett and Sweatt or Rodin aside. Does it matter that we take the best big man available, or is it ok to draft a guy slightly under 6 feet like Domi or on the skinnier side like Horvat. What do you think, do the Canucks have enough size in the system or do we need to keep finding ever larger individuals at the possible loss of skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkins Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 too long not guna read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warhippy Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 should Canucks keep drafting big even if there is a more skilled player that is smaller available...do we have enough big players in the system ? That us what got from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Size is overrated. How many 'sizable' players are there in the NHL that have the skill to play more than 3rd/4th line minutes? How many 'big' players that don't play big at all? Far too many. That's not to say that small players always make an impact. Generalizations aren't accurate at all, even if they seem that way in a small sample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drouin Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Crosby is 5'11. SKILL matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7thMan Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 It doesn't make sense to address a problem that we have now with prospects that can't fix it until later. Pick the most valuable player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 So lately I have heard a fair bit of complaining about the lack of size in our system. I can see how some might think, oh my god...Schroeder and Ebbet and Sweatt are smurfs that get tossed off of the puck. Now normally I am all for skill over size but in todays NHL I can see why some people are all about hulking brutes over skilled little guys especially seeing Boston, San Jose, LA and St Louis just destroy competition via brute force at times. But really. Is our prospect system really that lacking in these ham fisted knuckle dragging bull hogs people demand slap on skates and pirhouette like a figure skater? I did some checking and I can see that maybe, just maybe we are trending in the other direction from peoples comlaints. Jensen is a big skilled winger whose biggest issue might currently be the entire teams biggest issue. No mean streak at all and seems to avoid the big hit. Obviously he hasn't played much North American hockey but a year of conditioning in the AHL can change that really fast. http://www.hockeysfu...nicklas_jensen/ Grenier is huge. I mean the kid is massive and once he starts skating he really won't be stopped. watching highlights of his game it is impressive the vision he shows, but more importantly is how he turned it on during the playoffs in the Q. http://www.hockeysfu...xandre_grenier/ Archibald is a work in progress but again packs alot of agility onto a big frame. I mean he is impossible to knock off of the puck and has a solid slapper http://www.hockeysfu...rren_archibald/ Stefan Schnieder, not the best or flashiest forward out there but admittedly he never gives up, is defensively sound and by other players reports a demon to play against because he uses that size and ridiculous wingspan to shut down both the player and their stick. http://www.hockeysfu...efan_schneider/ Brendan Gaunce, what more can be said about him. Most people and analysts see him filling into a big frame and becoming a teams ideal 2nd/3rd line center. Smart on the ice, wicked wrister. Possibly one of the better draft picks Gillis has ever made http://www.hockeysfu...brendan_gaunce/ Joey Labate, nobody will confuse him with Jumbo Joe Thorton at all but this kid is mean. Size and anger on skates, he hits hard he is a pitbull on the puck and most agree he was hampered going through the school systems and college affiliates instead of jumping into junior http://www.hockeysfu.../joseph_labate/ Kellen Lain, prize college pick up...well only college pick up for Gillis. Strong on the puck, big guy loads of PIMs. Some again think a year or two in a major affilaite such as ECHL AHL will do wonders for him. Projects into a strong 4th line center and just needs to work on his skating abilities. http://www.hockeysfu...ts/kellan-lain/ I mean, honestly I look at some of the size in our forward group coming into play and properly developed I question whether or not the people demanding cavemen on skates really have a clue what they`re asking after. All of these aforementioned players are 6 foot 3 and larger, 200 pounds and heavier. While nobody in their right mind is going to say that these kids will all fill in the roster in the near future nobody can argue that we couldn`t slot in one of these larger bodies between the 1st through 4th lines. The meat behind this post is that in the upcoming draft we have the possibility of drafting some absolutely stunningly skilled forwards, who have dropped in the rankings based mostly on their size. Schroeder, Ebbett and Sweatt or Rodin aside. Does it matter that we take the best big man available, or is it ok to draft a guy slightly under 6 feet like Domi or on the skinnier side like Horvat. What do you think, do the Canucks have enough size in the system or do we need to keep finding ever larger individuals at the possible loss of skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Its not the size of the boat but the motion of the ocean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Most people, the Vancouver print media included, haven't got a clue about the prospect pool - which doesn't stop them from dismissing and writing off virtually everyone in that list who wasn't a first round draft pick. It's just the way the 'star gazers' think. He may be borderline at 6'1" and 200 lbs (at 20 yrs), but Blomstrand is also a consideration. Hard worker, mixes it up, good size and speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apples Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 size definitely helps, but theres still plently of skilled small players. Ex. St. Louis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Bloomer, Blomstrand is a solid prospect without question. Plays a very Canadian style of hockey. But again, we have some size in our prospect pools, more in the forwards then the defense which is shocking. BUt could we take a chance on a small skilled player like Domi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKeslord17 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Honestly, people need to stop overthinking this 'size' vs 'skill' team. You need a bit of EVERYTHING to win a stanley cup. Yes, that's not easy to get, but who the hell said it was easy to win a Stanley Cup? You think LA just drafted big guys for the hell of it when they sucked? NO! They had a plan, and their plan was to go out and get big, skilled, gritty forwards, who can play with leadership. LA is a huge team, but they also have mad skill on that team with the likes of Kopitar, Brown, Richards, Carter, Williams, even Penner is a force come playoff time. You need a little of everything, not one or the other. Teams like LA and Boston will succeed over CHI and PIT because they have both. Not to mention stellar goaltending on all 4 of those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Honestly, people need to stop overthinking this 'size' vs 'skill' team. You need a bit of EVERYTHING to win a stanley cup. Yes, that's not easy to get, but who the hell said it was easy to win a Stanley Cup? You think LA just drafted big guys for the hell of it when they sucked? NO! They had a plan, and their plan was to go out and get big, skilled, gritty forwards, who can play with leadership. LA is a huge team, but they also have mad skill on that team with the likes of Kopitar, Brown, Richards, Carter, Williams, even Penner is a force come playoff time. You need a little of everything, not one or the other. Teams like LA and Boston will succeed over CHI and PIT because they have both. Not to mention stellar goaltending on all 4 of those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKeslord17 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Pittsburgh is pretty balanced they added Iginla,Morrow, and Murray who are 3 big physical guys to round out their roster. Chicago is a very soft team. Detroit was able to match them physically. That's pretty sad considering Detroit is supposed to be a skill team. Chicago's cup winning team had skill too but they had way more depth and balance. They had powerforwards like Ladd,Byfuglien,and Brouwer. The only big guys on Chicago in the forward group who really hit are Bickell and Bollig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armada Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 too long not guna read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apples Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Richard Park agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Pittsburgh is pretty balanced they added Iginla,Morrow, and Murray who are 3 big physical guys to round out their roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Are those guys going to be with the Pens next season? regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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