Why do the Canucks, no matter what the year, NEVER seen to be able to learn and improve?

[Primus099]

I mean you look at other teams that were terrible for a long time (chicago, pittsburgh, la etc.), when they finally got some good draft picks and started winning again they improved every year and took the next step. Pittsburgh makes it to the cup finals in 2008, loses, comes back the next year and wins the cup. Chicago after being terrible for so long makes the conference finals in 2009, loses, comes back the next year and wins the cup. Bruins manage of the biggest chokes in playoff history in 2010 blowing a 3-0 series lead, come back the next year and win the cup.

Yet with us no matter what we do we never seem to be able to get to that next level, ever. we came close in 1994 and 2011 and the following year we just took a huge step backwards both times. And we took another one this year getting swept

[Everybody Hates Raymond]

In 1995 the team was changed by the management and in 2012 the team was still shattered mentally from the loss and STILL needs a shakeup

[Raoul Duke]

Tell ya what, take a couple months off. Enjoy the sun while we have it, then worry about this crap come October.

[*VaNcOuVeRCaNuCkS*]

So what there are 26 other teams you did not mention

[Grapefruits]

In 1995 the team was changed by the management and in 2012 the team was still shattered mentally from the loss and STILL needs a shakeup

[Standing_Tall#37]

So what there are 26 other teams you did not mention

[Primus099]

So what there are 26 other teams you did not mention

[Raph]

Sturm for Torres

Ehrhoff for Tanev?

[Ginu]

Bonehead trades followed by some stubborn coaching... Honestly if we knew the answer to the question, we would win lots of cups.

[BedBeats™2.0]

Health.

End thread.

Holy crap.

[ButterBean]

Because our former coaching staff sucked, plain and simple. AV could never motivate this team to score an important goal to keep us in the game nor maintain a lead. He also never calls a timeout unless there is an icing call and our players are tired. His lines and defensive pairings were terrible. The Edler and Bieksa pairing was a recipe for disaster ever since it started. Why was Garrison, our best shooter from the point, never given a chance on the 1st unit power play? He's also terrible at adjusting during the game. The list goes on with how much this boneheaded coaching staff screwed up.

Although MG didn't provide our coaches with a Stanley Cup winning calibre team, the fact we have 1 win in the last 2 years in the playoffs tells the story. We not only lost those games, we got dominated.

[BedBeats™2.0]

Because our former coaching staff sucked, plain and simple. AV could never motivate this team to score an important goal to keep us in the game nor maintain a lead. He also never calls a timeout unless there is an icing call and our players are tired. His lines and defensive pairings were terrible. The Edler and Bieksa pairing was a recipe for disaster ever since it started. Why was Garrison, our best shooter from the point, never given a chance on the 1st unit power play? He's also terrible at adjusting during the game. The list goes on with how much this boneheaded coaching staff screwed up.

Although MG didn't provide our coaches with a Stanley Cup winning calibre team, the fact we have 1 win in the last 2 years in the playoffs tells the story. We not only lost those games, we got dominated.

[zejono]

cause we keep dressing pansies for the playoffs year after year

[BedBeats™2.0]

cause we keep dressing pansies for the playoffs year after year

[Industrious1]

There is a good chance most recently a part of it is the "curse of the president's trophy". Basically management see's how well we are doing..in the regular season...and then decides that the team only needs to be tinkered with a bit to achieve bigtime results. Sometimes this tinkering is exactly what a team needs, when done correctly.

Now obviously some of our GMs moves didn't work out so great because of the players we acquired and how some of them were utilized(or not utilized in some cases) but not all (some, but not all) responsibility lies with the coaching staff. I think there was a distinct failure at every level of the organization to recognize where Vancouver's faults are and how to fix them.

I hope this trend of "head in sand" does not continue because some disturbing parallels are starting to emerge between this Canucks team and the perpetually sad state of affairs in Cowtown.

[-DLC-]

You actually cobbled together a nice sequence of myths into a great rant.

Nice.

It wasnt all on coaching. It was a combo of mitigating factors,

The significant factor is health. Behind it? Arguably goaltending having bad games at the wrong time. Behind that? Offense (banged up offense at that) not honouring the goalies stealing games for them. And finally behind that in the last playoff appearances is the coaching/management ill choices in goalie management, and this past season; MG's inability to flesh out the depth at center which handicapped the coaching staff's ability to use the roster to their strengths.

You go ahead and lay it all on the coaching staff, because that comment was an absolute joke of negativity.

Read this and learn, people.

[elvis15]

Boston's won one cup in the whole time we've been in the league. The Leafs haven't won a cup since before we've been in the league. LA finally won their first last year.

Us going from a team that can't get out of the 2nd round to game 7 of the SCF does show an ability to learn and improve. Injuries were a major factor that likely prevented us from winning just one more game, and the longest ever suspension (4 times as long as any previous) in the SCF certainly didn't help with momentum. Neither did major defensive breakdowns and soft goals. There's also the extremely relative point about 8 goals in 7 games, two of which were 2 shutouts in our favour. Did I mention injuries?

Since were weren't either tanking for top picks like Pittsburgh or Chicago, or having them handed to us like Boston (by the guy some people want back as GM by the way) we didn't have that advantage. That's hardly the only factor as well, and it takes a lot of things to go right for us to win a cup. 30 teams try every year, and 29 fail every year.

OP, when you can demonstrate your ability to learn and improve, then I'll start bothering to read a post from you again. Law of averages are that you'll get there one day, just like a room full of monkeys on typewriters, and maybe one day that will be enough to swing lady luck in the Canuck's favour too.

[mpt]

Lets see here, missed the playoffs like 4 of 5 years then within 4 years we win back to back presidents trophies yet we didn't improve,

Only 1 teams out of 30 can win the cup, just because we didn't win didn't mean we didn't improve.

[nuck nit]

The significant factor is health. Behind it? Arguably goaltending having bad games at the wrong time.

And finally behind that in the last playoff appearances is the coaching/management ill choices in goalie management, and this past season;

MG's inability to flesh out the depth at center which handicapped the coaching staff's ability to use the roster to their strengths.

[CanucksJay]

i think they improved. They fired AV