Twilight Sparkle Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 i think it would be pretty neat for wisconsin to have a team. from what i know, they host a lot of outdoor games. i dont see why it can't work there unless there's something like how hamilton couldn't get a team cause of the leafs, that whole deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drouin Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I've heard this before, it ain't gonna happen. Bettman has already shown he'll go down with this ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 NHL's Daly says Coyotes move 'possible' if no new deal reached with Glendale: CHICAGO - NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly says it's possible that the Phoenix Coyotes could relocate if a new ownership group can't reach a deal to keep the team in Glendale, Ariz. The Coyotes' unstable situation appears to be the biggest issue facing the league, and commissioner Gary Bettman said "time is getting short" finding a solution to keep the team in Arizona. Daly said the 2013-14 schedule will be released a bit later than usual in part because of the uncertainty of the Coyotes' status. "It certainly means that it's possible that the team won't play there next year," Daly said. Asked about Quebec City, Bettman refused to speculate on potential landing spots for the Coyotes. Bettman wouldn't confirm whether putting the team on hiatus was a possibility, saying only there were "myriad options." The Coyotes were reportedly sold to a Canadian-led ownership group which is negotiating with the city of Glendale for a lease at the Jobing.com Arena. Bettman refused to reveal deadline for a decision with the Coyotes. Asked if there must be a decision by the June 27 NHL Board of Governors meeting, Bettman said "maybe." http://www.winnipegf...-211290421.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Seattle WOULD be the best option, but there is no possible way they could get the Key Arena, or the Tacoma Dome ready in time for September. These are the only "western" markets, with an NHL sized arena that is ready(16k or bigger). Houston, TX - Toyota Center 17k. Milwaukee, WI - BMO Harris Bradley Center 18k Kansas City,MI - Sprint Center 18k (Only NHL/NBA sized arena in NA with no tenants at all) Oklahoma City,OK - Chesapeake Energy Arena 18k Portland,OR - Rose Garden 18k Milwaukee's territory is contracted to the Blackhawks, and they would need permission to play there, so count them out. OKC is a long shot at best. KC has been desperately trying to get an NHL or NBA team for a decade now, so they can not be counted out, but still an out side chance at best, being 2 hours out of the same timezone as most of the new "Pacific Division" This leaves Portland or Houston as the best chances to land the Yotes. Both have extensive histories with hockey teams, both close to other markets, and both have the arenas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Move the team to vancouver. So we can have two teams and lower ticket prices ffs. Then trade lui to vancouver coyotes lol ... so I don't have to go far to see him Wishful thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Everyone forgets, the NHL was actually run worse pre-Bettman. No way that would fly today. Even 4k in seats, adds up to be a massive amount of revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I've heard this before, it ain't gonna happen. Bettman has already shown he'll go down with this ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 11,000 a night in Seattle due to seat limitations>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>11,000 or less in Phoenix in a 20,000 seat arena due to no one in the desert caring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Everyone, except the NHL, knows that this franchise needs to be moved. But moving it before next year? I don't know how that's possible. Besides how long they might need to re-brand and get an arena ready, they'd still be limited in geography to where they could go, even temporarily or else end up putting a wrench in the realignment plan. Likewise, putting the team on hold (what would that do to the players' contracts?) would mean that our division has 2 fewer teams than both divisions in the EC and 1 fewer than the other WC division. The whining from the EC teams would be deafening! Bettman better be on the phone begging the city of Glendale to let the team stay, but honestly they're idiots if they do. The city has been running a deficit for years and had to lay off dozens of city employees while still continuing to pay out millions of taxpayer dollars every year to support this hockey team for the NHL owners' personal profit. The new ownership deal is apparently contingent on the city agreeing to an arena management deal with the owners, meaning taxpayers will continue paying millions a year for little or not return. Apparently, there are other companies wanting to manage the arena, possibly for cheaper, but of the new Coyotes owners have an anchor tenant to offer so the city could end up giving them a deal similar to what they gave the NHL when they bought the team out of bankruptcy. If the new owners did get a deal like some other teams have, the team will likely keep nearly, if not all of the profits (including from non-hockey events) while taxpayers will take all of the risk by being on the hook for any shortfalls. (Last year, taxpayers owed these millionaire and billionaire owners who supposedly "take all the risks" $25M to cover their loses in Phoenix, even while the NHL itself recorded record profits in part due to the larger TV deals they were able to get thanks to the large Phoenix market.) Or, as a Forbes article put it: The team’s lease at the arena runs through 2032. According to the minutes of the council’s meeting, an independent study performed in 2011 showed that keeping the team for the term of the arena lease and management agreement was had an economic impact on the city of between $270 million and $338 million. Taking the midpoint ($300 million) works out to $14 million a year in incremental economic benefits, not nearly enough to cover the $17 million subsidy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamero89 Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Everyone, except the NHL, knows that this franchise needs to be moved. But moving it before next year? I don't know how that's possible. Besides how long they might need to re-brand and get an arena ready, they'd still be limited in geography to where they could go, even temporarily or else end up putting a wrench in the realignment plan. Likewise, putting the team on hold (what would that do to the players' contracts?) would mean that our division has 2 fewer teams than both divisions in the EC and 1 fewer than the other WC division. The whining from the EC teams would be deafening! Bettman better be on the phone begging the city of Glendale to let the team stay, but honestly they're idiots if they do. The city has been running a deficit for years and had to lay off dozens of city employees while still continuing to pay out millions of taxpayer dollars every year to support this hockey team for the NHL owners' personal profit. The new ownership deal is apparently contingent on the city agreeing to an arena management deal with the owners, meaning taxpayers will continue paying millions a year for little or not return. Apparently, there are other companies wanting to manage the arena, possibly for cheaper, but of the new Coyotes owners have an anchor tenant to offer so the city could end up giving them a deal similar to what they gave the NHL when they bought the team out of bankruptcy. If the new owners did get a deal like some other teams have, the team will likely keep nearly, if not all of the profits (including from non-hockey events) while taxpayers will take all of the risk by being on the hook for any shortfalls. (Last year, taxpayers owed these millionaire and billionaire owners who supposedly "take all the risks" $25M to cover their loses in Phoenix, even while the NHL itself recorded record profits in part due to the larger TV deals they were able to get thanks to the large Phoenix market.) Or, as a Forbes article put it: As much as I love hockey, it disgusts me how much of taxpayers' hard earned money and excessive tax burden goes to help the ultra rich have cool hobbies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 For what it's worth PHX averaged 13, 923 per game this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 And how much were ticket prices again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 The reason they're staying in Phoenix is because it's the 12th-largest TV market in the United States. Bettman wants the NHL to eventually become a TV-revenue league like the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Faulk Yourself Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 As much as everyone is yelling Quebec City for the next location. I would be very excited to see if they could land in Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hotstove just said they Seattle wasn't available for the Nucks to put their farm team because it had to be available for a Phoenix move. Plan B if no buyer is found to keep them in PHX is to move to Seattle this summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Same sh1t every year. Don't care. Put up or shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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