UFCanuck Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Interesting article on The Hockey News website about Shink. I tend to concur with the anonymous scout that was quoted. Hunter's biggest deficiency right now is lack of strength and being pushed off the puck too easily. http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/will-canucks-prospect-shinkaruk-become-jeff-skinner-or-a-third-liner/ Good news is that both of those deficiencies can be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 But before he’s allowed off his leash, he’s been asked to depart from the finesse game. Early on, Shinkaruk was instructed to chip-and-chase – something he doesn’t recall being asked to do in junior Biggest reason the Canucks have failed to develop high end skilled players in the last 10 years IMO. They draft skilled guys and then tell them to play more like grinders, it's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic 8-Ball Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Biggest reason the Canucks have failed to develop high end skilled players in the last 10 years IMO. They draft skilled guys and then tell them to play more like grinders, it's ridiculous. I agree in some respects, but I'm not sure it's as bad as you make it sound. There's a difference between being told/taught to play like a grinder and being defensively responsible. At the end of the day, if you're a liability every time you step out on the ice, you've gotta have one hell of an offensive game to make up for it. Even so, when playoffs roll around, the intensity goes up, space gets harder to find, and defensively weak players get exposed even more. After everything he's been through, I'm alright with Shink taking things slowly and learning how to play away from the puck. I don't believe you just forget how to produce offense. That will always be somewhat natural for him. Having him chip and chase though, yeah, that may be taking the piss somewhat. His creativity should still be utilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I agree in some respects, but I'm not sure it's as bad as you make it sound. There's a difference between being told/taught to play like a grinder and being defensively responsible. At the end of the day, if you're a liability every time you step out on the ice, you've gotta have one hell of an offensive game to make up for it. Even so, when playoffs roll around, the intensity goes up, space gets harder to find, and defensively weak players get exposed even more. After everything he's been through, I'm alright with Shink taking things slowly and learning how to play away from the puck. I don't believe you just forget how to produce offense. That will always be somewhat natural for him. Having him chip and chase though, yeah, that may be taking the piss somewhat. His creativity should still be utilized. One thing to keep in mind with Shinkaruk is the first half of the season he constantly tried to skate the puck wide and beat the defender wide with zero success. Shink was repeatedly rubbed off the puck because he didn't possess the strength or the speed/quickness to get around anyone. Nor did he use his teammates well and pass the puck before he was driven into the boards and off the puck. None of the things that worked so well for him in juniors worked at this level and you could see the frustration building with bad penalties. Having him start to chip and chase was the only way to keep him in the lineup. If he continued on the path of the first half season he would have either been in the press box or sent down to K-Zoo. It just wasn't working. The second half he stopping trying to do it all himself and used his teammates more and the goals started to come along with the assists. It still has to be mentioned that Hunter was coming off hip surgery and he did not have the speed and quickness to succeed with the style of game in the AHL that he used pre-surgery in juniors. This is an important off season where he needs to work on strength and quickness. Those predicting that Hunter has a chance to make the Canucks lineup out of camp need to be patient and realize that he needs another year in the AHL before he is ready for the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanBeef Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Biggest reason the Canucks have failed to develop high end skilled players in the last 10 years IMO. They draft skilled guys and then tell them to play more like grinders, it's ridiculous. Happened with Schroeder... But he actually didn't look half bad when grinding it out in the 2013 preseason/scrimmages before getting injured by the Yakupov shot. Was one of the best on the ice in the scrimmages and looked a bit like Gallagher out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Biggest reason the Canucks have failed to develop high end skilled players in the last 10 years IMO. They draft skilled guys and then tell them to play more like grinders, it's ridiculous. I agree this has been a factor. With Schroeder, with CoHo, possibly Jensen, with Shink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I agree in some respects, but I'm not sure it's as bad as you make it sound. There's a difference between being told/taught to play like a grinder and being defensively responsible. At the end of the day, if you're a liability every time you step out on the ice, you've gotta have one hell of an offensive game to make up for it. Even so, when playoffs roll around, the intensity goes up, space gets harder to find, and defensively weak players get exposed even more. Having him chip and chase though, yeah, that may be taking the piss somewhat. His creativity should still be utilized. I'm not talking about the defensive zone. Of course it's important to be able to play well there. It's telling players to dump and chase, and cycle the puck, even if that's not their game. If a young player has the ability to beat a guy one on one or hold onto the puck a little longer, let them. Sure it may cost you odd man rushes the other way, but the only way these guys can develop these skills is to be allowed to utilize them without fear of being benched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdatb Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I'm not talking about the defensive zone. Of course it's important to be able to play well there. It's telling players to dump and chase, and cycle the puck, even if that's not their game. If a young player has the ability to beat a guy one on one or hold onto the puck a little longer, let them. Sure it may cost you odd man rushes the other way, but the only way these guys can develop these skills is to be allowed to utilize them without fear of being benched. Too bad Shinkaruk didn't have that ability then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Too bad Shinkaruk didn't have that ability then. Say what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Say what? The Hunter Shinkaruk of September 2013 wasn't the same Hunter Shinkaruk that joined the Comets in October 2014. The speed and quickness was not there post hip surgery. He just could not skate around anybody. Maybe we will see a different player this fall (I certainly hope so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 The Hunter Shinkaruk of September 2013 wasn't the same Hunter Shinkaruk that joined the Comets in October 2014. The speed and quickness was not there post hip surgery. He just could not skate around anybody. Maybe we will see a different player this fall (I certainly hope so). He didn't need speed there, he just needed to be able to hold onto the puck. His edgework and ability to pivot is a definite strength of his. But I agree, it would be nice to see him get faster and stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo Bo 53 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I think will it be a mistake if is not with the Nucks this year. Has offensive fire and we will need those goals Sedin Sedin Vrbata Shinckaruk Sutter Baertchi Burrows Horvat Hansen Dorset Vey Prust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic 8-Ball Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 One thing to keep in mind with Shinkaruk is the first half of the season he constantly tried to skate the puck wide and beat the defender wide with zero success. Shink was repeatedly rubbed off the puck because he didn't possess the strength or the speed/quickness to get around anyone. Nor did he use his teammates well and pass the puck before he was driven into the boards and off the puck. None of the things that worked so well for him in juniors worked at this level and you could see the frustration building with bad penalties. Interesting. I didn't know that, thanks. Makes me wonder though if this chip and chase mentality is something he will have to keep for his entire career, or if it's just something he needs to do until his speed returns (if it ever does). I'm completely content with Green figuring that out though. If a player is taking steps forward, I'm not going to complain. A healthy Shink with a year in Utica and a good summer of training under his belt sounds like the kind of Shink that can show his true worth next year. Here's hoping he rips up the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Shinkaruk is a great skater, in the mold of Jeff Skinner, but a hip surgery really affects a guy like that. I'm encouraged by how he came on in the second half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I think will it be a mistake if is not with the Nucks this year. Has offensive fire and we will need those goals Sedin Sedin Vrbata Shinkaruk Sutter Baertchi Burrows Horvat Hansen Dorset Vey Prust That actually looks pretty good. Third line looks beast. I think Shinkaruk could be a call up, but he should start in the minors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Biggest reason the Canucks have failed to develop high end skilled players in the last 10 years IMO. They draft skilled guys and then tell them to play more like grinders, it's ridiculous. You forgot the sentence right after your quote. “Five years down the road I’m going to be thankful for all these lessons,” he said. “It’ll allow me to sustain a lot longer of a career in the NHL than it would have been if I was allowed to get away with those fancy moves all the time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I'm glad he learned chip n chase. That's something everyone should know how to do. It's not like you learn chip n chase and forget offense. Alain Vigneault went from a dump and chase system to a more offensive one, but the team didn't forget how to dump it in and capitalize on mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 You forgot the sentence right after your quote. No I didn't. He said that, not the coaches. And the sentence after: But at the same time, that’s my game, and I’ll never cut it out completely because that’s why I play the game.” It's sounds to me like he's saying, "I'll take what they teach me, but that's not really my game." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I'm glad he learned chip n chase. That's something everyone should know how to do. It's not like you learn chip n chase and forget offense. Alain Vigneault went from a dump and chase system to a more offensive one, but the team didn't forget how to dump it in and capitalize on mistakes. Of course everyone should know it. The problem is when the coaches don't trust them enough to do anything else. That's my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course everyone should know it. The problem is when the coaches don't trust them enough to do anything else. That's my point I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just saying that a good coach knows when they have taught something well, and when to move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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