Jiggs50 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Who says he hasn't?Ain't showing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Ain't showing... MSL has ~20 years of being one of the best conditioned athletes on the planet on Hunter. I should hope he looks like it. Nobody's saying he doesn't need to continue to hit the gym but maybe we can give him a couple years before we start labeling him as a lazy bum unwilling to put in the work? A lot of guys that are thin/wiry types, particularly at that age, have a LOT of trouble putting on any meaningful muscle mass. Yeah I'm short and stocky and in my younger days I used to exercise with a tall, lanky friend. I barely had to do more than just look at a weight and I'd gain muscle mass. Him on the other hand would lift and lift and he'd just get toned. Pissed him off to no end Let's see a shirtless pic of MSL playing at the U of Vermont around 20 years old and compare...lol I'm the body type where it is very hard to bulk up. Tall and lanky. It is frustrating. MSL has ridiculous work ethic, and I see the same passion in Shinkaruk. Not sure if he'll ever get that strong though. MSL's core strength is something else; let alone his legs. I have that same prob. Tall/Lanky and very hard to bulk. Let's also look at his parentage. Both of his parents appear to be fairly thin. His dad especially, is quite tall and lanky. Why don't you give us some analysis of Hunter's facial expression in this photo too Jebus people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 decades and no cup Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Ben Hutton @bhutt10 Aug 26Vancouver, British Columbia @WhitecapsFC with the boys @H_S_9 @jordansubban @ColeCassels19 @ashton_sautner 33 retweets120 favorites Reply Retweet 33 Favorite 120 More Photoshop. Those heads are not a match for the bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Let's also look at his parentage. Both of his parents appear to be fairly thin. His dad especially, is quite tall and lanky. Why don't you give us some analysis of Hunter's facial expression in this photo too Jebus people... I'm not one on facial expressions, but I do notice he has tiny hands. That can't be good. He can bulk up his body, but his hands will always be small. How is he going to grip his stick? I guess he has a smaller stick to accommodate his smaller hands. ( sarcasm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Let's also look at his parentage. Both of his parents appear to be fairly thin. His dad especially, is quite tall and lanky. Why don't you give us some analysis of Hunter's facial expression in this photo too Jebus people... Everyone can gain weight , you have to be willing to eat until you hate eating to gain. People think 5000 cals is a lot to eat in one day and it is for some, some would get fat others gain nothing. The non gainer would then try 6000, 6500, 7000..... 10,000 until they start gaining weight. I 'm 5'8 and weighted 130 pounds when I was 17 had been weight training for 2 years. It was not until a 19 year old kid in the gym came up to me and said " I can see from the last couple years you been getting strong, but not getting any bigger" "is this what you what?" "Hell no" I said. " How much you eat?" he asked. " What do you mean?" I asked. " How many Cals do you get in, in a day bud" He demanded. " I do not know, around 3000- 4000" I said. " That is for little boys " " Get no less then 5000 and work your way to 10,000 if you what to get big, Bud" So I started eating like a pig , 5 to 8 meals a day. My Sundays where spent cooking all day for the following weeks meals. Tupperware became my best friend. Anyhow after two years of very little muscle gains and then eating right for my body type I put 20 pounds on in 2 month. By the time I was 20 I was 185 - 190 pounds with abs and 16 inches arms. Not bad for a very small boned persons ( wrist just over 5 and 1/2 inches and ankles only a little over 6 inches). I now stay at 170 in my 40's best for my joints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 ^I'm kind of in the same boat, I've got the same frame and metabolism as my Dad with an extra 60 lbs. He always ate like a bird and jogged, I ate like a horse and worked out like a maniac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Everyone can gain weight , you have to be willing to eat until you hate eating to gain. People think 5000 cals is a lot to eat in one day and it is for some, some would get fat others gain nothing. The non gainer would then try 6000, 6500, 7000..... 10,000 until they start gaining weight. I 'm 5'8 and weighted 130 pounds when I was 17 had been weight training for 2 years. It was not until a 19 year old kid in the gym came up to me and said " I can see from the last couple years you been getting strong, but not getting any bigger" "is this what you what?" "Hell no" I said. " How much you eat?" he asked. " What do you mean?" I asked. " How many Cals do you get in, in a day bud" He demanded. " I do not know, around 3000- 4000" I said. " That is for little boys " " Get no less then 5000 and work your way to 10,000 if you what to get big, Bud" So I started eating like a pig , 5 to 8 meals a day. My Sundays where spent cooking all day for the following weeks meals. Tupperware became my best friend. Anyhow after two years of very little muscle gains and then eating right for my body type I put 20 pounds on in 2 month. By the time I was 20 I was 185 - 190 pounds with abs and 16 inches arms. Not bad for a very small boned persons ( wrist just over 5 and 1/2 inches and ankles only a little over 6 inches). I now stay at 170 in my 40's best for my joints. That's great but Hunter's main goal shouldn't be gaining a huge amount of mass anyway. The way he plays, a lot of extra mass would likely be detrimental to his ability to be shifty and change direction FAST. Strength yes. Mass no. Especially in his upper body. Legs/core, sure. Again, just because he isn't gaining upper body mass (that he shouldn't be gaining) doesn't mean he's not working out or getting stronger. He's likely only going to put on 10'ish, maybe 15 pounds over the next ~5 years and in to his prime to maintain his ideal weight/strength/speed/shiftiness. Anyone expecting him to look like 'Rod the Bod' are going to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Everyone can gain weight , you have to be willing to eat until you hate eating to gain. People think 5000 cals is a lot to eat in one day and it is for some, some would get fat others gain nothing. The non gainer would then try 6000, 6500, 7000..... 10,000 until they start gaining weight. I 'm 5'8 and weighted 130 pounds when I was 17 had been weight training for 2 years. It was not until a 19 year old kid in the gym came up to me and said " I can see from the last couple years you been getting strong, but not getting any bigger" "is this what you what?" "Hell no" I said. " How much you eat?" he asked. " What do you mean?" I asked. " How many Cals do you get in, in a day bud" He demanded. " I do not know, around 3000- 4000" I said. " That is for little boys " " Get no less then 5000 and work your way to 10,000 if you what to get big, Bud" So I started eating like a pig , 5 to 8 meals a day. My Sundays where spent cooking all day for the following weeks meals. Tupperware became my best friend. Anyhow after two years of very little muscle gains and then eating right for my body type I put 20 pounds on in 2 month. By the time I was 20 I was 185 - 190 pounds with abs and 16 inches arms. Not bad for a very small boned persons ( wrist just over 5 and 1/2 inches and ankles only a little over 6 inches). I now stay at 170 in my 40's best for my joints. If only weight gain and looks are what you are after this works for sure. I would would question how much that weight gain served your athletic potential though. Look at what Gary Roberts pushes on his athletes- nutrient dense whole foods. There arn't tons of calories in those, but the nutrients help the body recover to continue building physical maturity. I don't think Hunter eating like a pig and gaining weight, especially large muscle mass is going to help him on the ice. Maybe only after a tough day of heavy, Olympic style lifting maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I trust the Canucks organization has experts in sports nutrition working with their prospects and all of them have been given the right nutrition/training programs for them. Even in the Hat and Utica I'm certain they were being advised on nutrition/training by experts. Mind you, all the experts can only advise, Hunter and the rest of the prospects are accountable for the commitment and hard work needed in the off season. The upcoming camps will be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 That's great but Hunter's main goal shouldn't be gaining a huge amount of mass anyway. The way he plays, a lot of extra mass would likely be detrimental to his ability to be shifty and change direction FAST. Strength yes. Mass no. Especially in his upper body. Legs/core, sure. Again, just because he isn't gaining upper body mass (that he shouldn't be gaining) doesn't mean he's not working out or getting stronger. He's likely only going to put on 10'ish, maybe 15 pounds over the next ~5 years and in to his prime to maintain his ideal weight/strength/speed/shiftiness. Anyone expecting him to look like 'Rod the Bod' are going to be disappointed. My main point is he can gain a lot of mass like anyone its all in the diet. People should not be worried about him gaining mass is my main point. You can gain a lot of strength and power without weight gain, but hunter will be gaining muscle mass well losing baby fat. Hunter will put on 20 to 25 pounds off muscle in the next 5 years, but the scale will only read a 15 to 20 pound weight gain. It is ridiculous that people are reading into this from a photo that was shot at a dumb angle, you can not tell someone's true size from a photo. Besides having a low body fat percentage, like Rob, has nothing to do with strength and athletic ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 My main point is he can gain a lot of mass like anyone its all in the diet. People should not be worried about him gaining mass is my main point. You can gain a lot of strength and power without weight gain, but hunter will be gaining muscle mass well losing baby fat. Hunter will put on 20 to 25 pounds off muscle in the next 5 years, but the scale will only read a 15 to 20 pound weight gain. It is ridiculous that people are reading into this from a photo that was shot at a dumb angle, you can not tell someone's true size from a photo. Besides having a low body fat percentage, like Rob, has nothing to do with strength and athletic ability. Fair enough, we seem to largely be on the same page Rod had more than just 'low body fat' though FWIW. Guy was ripped. http://25stanley.com/storage/rodbrindamour.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1258494535402 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 My main point is he can gain a lot of mass like anyone its all in the diet. People should not be worried about him gaining mass is my main point. You can gain a lot of strength and power without weight gain, but hunter will be gaining muscle mass well losing baby fat. Hunter will put on 20 to 25 pounds off muscle in the next 5 years, but the scale will only read a 15 to 20 pound weight gain. It is ridiculous that people are reading into this from a photo that was shot at a dumb angle, you can not tell someone's true size from a photo. Besides having a low body fat percentage, like Rob, has nothing to do with strength and athletic ability. QFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 My main point is he can gain a lot of mass like anyone its all in the diet. People should not be worried about him gaining mass is my main point. You can gain a lot of strength and power without weight gain, but hunter will be gaining muscle mass well losing baby fat. Hunter will put on 20 to 25 pounds off muscle in the next 5 years, but the scale will only read a 15 to 20 pound weight gain. It is ridiculous that people are reading into this from a photo that was shot at a dumb angle, you can not tell someone's true size from a photo. Besides having a low body fat percentage, like Rob, has nothing to do with strength and athletic ability. Sure, he can build his body, but what about those tiny hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Im really disappointed with that picture of hunter. He needs to put in the work on his upper body if he wants to compete at the NHL level. I'm not saying he needs to be a body builder, but he needs another 10-15lbs. I agree. Look at Johnny Gaudreau, that guy is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic 8-Ball Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Who's the dark guy on the left Edit** This is a very innocent jab at a photo caption posted about Subban not long ago and is in no way meant to be taken as racist or bigoted The fact that this had to have a disclaimer says a lot about our society and makes me very sad. As for Shink, give him time. He needs to bulk up, sure, but it's difficult at that age. If he looks the same at 22 we may have a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The fact that this had to have a disclaimer says a lot about our society and makes me very sad. As for Shink, give him time. He needs to bulk up, sure, but it's difficult at that age. If he looks the same at 22 we may have a problem. Everyone may not have seen the article. Hell I pretty much forgot all about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I want to see more of this. I love the reaction of his dad lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Everyone can gain weight , you have to be willing to eat until you hate eating to gain. People think 5000 cals is a lot to eat in one day and it is for some, some would get fat others gain nothing. The non gainer would then try 6000, 6500, 7000..... 10,000 until they start gaining weight. I 'm 5'8 and weighted 130 pounds when I was 17 had been weight training for 2 years. It was not until a 19 year old kid in the gym came up to me and said " I can see from the last couple years you been getting strong, but not getting any bigger" "is this what you what?" "Hell no" I said. " How much you eat?" he asked. " What do you mean?" I asked. " How many Cals do you get in, in a day bud" He demanded. " I do not know, around 3000- 4000" I said. " That is for little boys " " Get no less then 5000 and work your way to 10,000 if you what to get big, Bud" So I started eating like a pig , 5 to 8 meals a day. My Sundays where spent cooking all day for the following weeks meals. Tupperware became my best friend. Anyhow after two years of very little muscle gains and then eating right for my body type I put 20 pounds on in 2 month. By the time I was 20 I was 185 - 190 pounds with abs and 16 inches arms. Not bad for a very small boned persons ( wrist just over 5 and 1/2 inches and ankles only a little over 6 inches). I now stay at 170 in my 40's best for my joints. Just for the record, and I do know what I'm talking about > the suggestion was that he get in the gym. Lean muscle mass is the message. But being cautious, the 1970's theory of eating massive calories and bulking up while doing heavy weights has largely been disproven. Then switching diet and doing cardio to slim down. The combination of starving the muscles and reduced intensity causes fluctuations in muscle mass is all that happens. Plus mood, swings anxiety... There was another post in here about him losing baby fat. But putting on 25 lbs of muscle and only gaining 15 lbs. Guys need to look at the picture closely. He is NOT fat. Baby fat or otherwise. We're talking about his skinny arms and shoulders, with little or no muscle. That's it. What he needs is targeted lean muscle mass. Yes diet and calories will help. If you overtrain and don't eat; your body actually feeds off the protein in your muscles because its not getting the actual nutrition it needs. You will lose weight and muscles. Plus be drained of energy. As the proteins are not enough energy for high energy sports, which require both endurance and explosive power like hockey. Although they do help maintain your muscles in rest cycles after exercise. If fed to your body, not stolen from it. If you train effectively, eat high nutrition food and lots of it > al you have to do is monitor that you don't gain any bad weight. Its also been proven as u gain muscles, the muscle mass itself increases your metabolism and staying slimmer is easier. There was also a theory at one time, I thought JR was alluding to it, that bulking up would cause you to lose speed and quickness. Absolutely not true. Not without going overboard anyway. Gaining fat, sure. Lean muscle mass, no. Look at the shoulders and body on Usain Bolt. I mentioned no baby fat on Shinkaruk. And being fair; I have seen other pics. He has ripped abs and strong legs. JR also suggested it was most important to be strong in the core and legs. All true. But probably not enough. How is a guy with those forearms going to dig at the puck against guys 220 lbs? Or get max velocity on a shot... Shinkaruk is good. He will just have a much better shot if he works on his body! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Just for the record, and I do know what I'm talking about > the suggestion was that he get in the gym. Lean muscle mass is the message. But being cautious, the 1970's theory of eating massive calories and bulking up while doing heavy weights has largely been disproven. Then switching diet and doing cardio to slim down. The combination of starving the muscles and reduced intensity causes fluctuations in muscle mass is all that happens. Plus mood, swings anxiety... There was another post in here about him losing baby fat. But putting on 25 lbs of muscle and only gaining 15 lbs. Guys need to look at the picture closely. He is NOT fat. Baby fat or otherwise. We're talking about his skinny arms and shoulders, with little or no muscle. That's it. What he needs is targeted lean muscle mass. Yes diet and calories will help. If you overtrain and don't eat; your body actually feeds off the protein in your muscles because its not getting the actual nutrition it needs. You will lose weight and muscles. Plus be drained of energy. As the proteins are not enough energy for high energy sports, which require both endurance and explosive power like hockey. Although they do help maintain your muscles in rest cycles after exercise. If fed to your body, not stolen from it. If you train effectively, eat high nutrition food and lots of it > al you have to do is monitor that you don't gain any bad weight. Its also been proven as u gain muscles, the muscle mass itself increases your metabolism and staying slimmer is easier. There was also a theory at one time, I thought JR was alluding to it, that bulking up would cause you to lose speed and quickness. Absolutely not true. Not without going overboard anyway. Gaining fat, sure. Lean muscle mass, no. Look at the shoulders and body on Usain Bolt. I mentioned no baby fat on Shinkaruk. And being fair; I have seen other pics. He has ripped abs and strong legs. JR also suggested it was most important to be strong in the core and legs. All true. But probably not enough. How is a guy with those forearms going to dig at the puck against guys 220 lbs? Or get max velocity on a shot... Shinkaruk is good. He will st have a much better shot if he works on his body! All I was getting at is anyone can gain lean muscle mass by finding their right cal in take for some that is very high ( over 5000 cal, some times reaching 10000+). It goes without saying all rookies and pros of any sport have to hit the gym. No one should be worried about that. Hunter will get his time in at the gym ! Small forearms mean nothing , what a bonehead observation on your part. Having small forearms for some is like having small calves means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven pounds soft Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I want to see more of this. I love the reaction of his dad lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ5cGl5TY20 I wish there was a spot for him to fight for this year on the Canucks but that's just my greedy desire to see him play as one of my favorite prospects. My logical side tells me another year on the comets can't hurt. I'll be pulling for hunter to light it up this season as a leader on Utica ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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