Gyllenhaal Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 If anything it meant that Shink was seen as one of our more valued prospects. You don't make an offer for a 1st overall with someone like Jensen as the main prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 ...that doesn't support the point attempting to be made that Benning values Gillis acquisitions less. That wasn't the point I was making with that statement (it was a separate point). I said that I couldn't see both Gaunce and Shinkaruk being on the team next year and I thought it was likely one would be tradd. I then mentioned that Benning was rumored to have shopped Shinkaruk at the 2014 NHL draft - it was this statement which Swift4Grizz asked for supporting evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 That wasn't the point I was making with that statement (it was a separate point). I said that I couldn't see both Gaunce and Shinkaruk being on the team next year and I thought it was likely one would be tradd. I then mentioned that Benning was rumored to have shopped Shinkaruk at the 2014 NHL draft - it was this statement which Swift4Grizz asked for supporting evidence. ...a separate point you're were hoping would support your previous (unsubstantiated) point that's based entirely on conjecture and hence poor 'evidence'. But fill your boots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derr12 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 If my eastside hockey manager game is any indication, going full time in his sophmore year, he will put up 60 points playing on first line and command a 4mx5 year contract extension going into the 2017/18 season. Of course, he was playing with kesler and Voracek. He made baerchese look like boring-cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 ...a separate point you're were hoping would support your previous (unsubstantiated) point that's based entirely on conjecture and hence poor 'evidence'. But fill your boots... I actually made that point before the other one. It's not a big deal, I think you just got confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Awesome & encouraging quote. Thanks for posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I think people are misunderstanding my point. I'm not saying Benning will/has given up on Gillis' prospects or will cast them aside just to spite Gillis. Rather I'm saying he'll favour his own prospects. I'm shocked that people don't agree with that. I wish he or GM could be so rational as to objectively judge talent evenly. Alas, psychology paints a different picture with confirmation bias (favoring his own prospects) and out group bias (not favoring gillis prospects). There is definitely a qualitative difference between players that an old GM brought in and players a new GM has aquired. I understand what you're saying, but I still disagree entirely. Your premise is that because Benning is a natural scout he would do one thing, but in my opinion (and seemingly the consensus) thinks that it would be the exact opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 So, after looking through the last page of this thread, does anyone have anything to report that is actually relevant to Shinkaruk, regarding how he is developing or how he looks with the guys he's playing with at the tournament? For the record, we have a GM (Benning) who I believe values all of our players and prospects regardless of how they were acquired, but that won't stop him from trading (or attempting to trade) ANYONE if it makes the team better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 This is the first camp where he's 100%. He looked good even with a bad hip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 This is the first camp where he's 100%. He looked good even with a bad hip. I agree. The kid looked great on the offencive side of the game. Don't you think though the Canucks needed him to develop defensive awareness too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 So, after looking through the last page of this thread, does anyone have anything to report that is actually relevant to Shinkaruk, regarding how he is developing or how he looks with the guys he's playing with at the tournament? For the record, we have a GM (Benning) who I believe values all of our players and prospects regardless of how they were acquired, but that won't stop him from trading (or attempting to trade) ANYONE if it makes the team better! Looks like the first look at lines he and Virtanen were the wingers for Cassels. Does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I agree. The kid looked great on the offencive side of the game. Don't you think though the Canucks needed him to develop defensive awareness too? Every young player needs to develop the defensive side of their game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Vancouver Canucks @VanCanucks 3h 3 hours ago “Every year that goes by it’s another year I want to make it to the NHL and stay there.” - Hunter Shinkaruk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Every young player needs to develop the defensive side of their game. Yes, I agree. I'm glad our team makes our young guys learn the whole game before they make the big club. Hunter just seemed to need to learn more than some other guys. can he get it though? It seems like some other guys might pass him by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Tony Gallagher was going off today on 1040 about how he thought that Shinkaruk wasn't being developed properly. He said that a player who is as gifted offensively as Shink should be getting pp time etc and not be playing behind career AHLers. Ok, I like Tony so let's ask the question..... If Linden and Benning think that there are great benefits for all to be playing in a competitive environment (meaningful games and both teams giving it their all) and that every player needs to earn their ice time.....I think that just about answers TG's criticism. After all, what does a young guy need to do before making the jump the NHL? Be physically ready Be emotionally ready Have a mature understanding of the game Is Shink physically ready? Still listed as 5'11" 179 on the young stars roster. There are a lot of doubters on CDC. He'll never be a big guy but 10 lbs would certainly help. I really don't think it would hurt him to play another year in Utica. Travis Green has said that he came a long way since his surgery. Next year he has a shot imo, he has only played one year of pro. It's not as if he's stagnating. Also, he a similar player type to Baertschi and a couple of years behind him in his development. They're not likely to try to introduce both of them at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven pounds soft Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Tony Gallagher was going off today on 1040 about how he thought that Shinkaruk wasn't being developed properly. He said that a player who is as gifted offensively as Shink should be getting pp time etc and not be playing behind career AHLers. Ok, I like Tony so let's ask the question..... If Linden and Benning think that there are great benefits for all to be playing in a competitive environment (meaningful games and both teams giving it their all) and that every player needs to earn their ice time.....I think that just about answers TG's criticism. After all, what does a young guy need to do before making the jump the NHL?Be physically readyBe emotionally readyHave a mature understanding of the game Is Shink physically ready? Still listed as 5'11" 179 on the young stars roster. There are a lot of doubters on CDC. He'll never be a big guy but 10 lbs would certainly help. I really don't think it would hurt him to play another year in Utica. Travis Green has said that he came a long way since his surgery. Next year he has a shot imo, he has only played one year of pro. It's not as if he's stagnating. Also, he a similar player type to Baertschi and a couple of years behind him in his development. They're not likely to try to introduce both of them at the same time. You lost me at " I like tony" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Tony Gallagher was going off today on 1040 about how he thought that Shinkaruk wasn't being developed properly. He said that a player who is as gifted offensively as Shink should be getting pp time etc and not be playing behind career AHLers. Ok, I like Tony so let's ask the question..... If Linden and Benning think that there are great benefits for all to be playing in a competitive environment (meaningful games and both teams giving it their all) and that every player needs to earn their ice time.....I think that just about answers TG's criticism. After all, what does a young guy need to do before making the jump the NHL?Be physically readyBe emotionally readyHave a mature understanding of the gameIs Shink physically ready? Still listed as 5'11" 179 on the young stars roster. There are a lot of doubters on CDC. He'll never be a big guy but 10 lbs would certainly help. I really don't think it would hurt him to play another year in Utica. Travis Green has said that he came a long way since his surgery. Next year he has a shot imo, he has only played one year of pro. It's not as if he's stagnating. Also, he a similar player type to Baertschi and a couple of years behind him in his development. They're not likely to try to introduce both of them at the same time. Once again Crabcakes you make good sense. How much do you like that Benning is creating competition amongst our prospects for jobs, like with Hunter and Baer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 You lost me at " I like tony" I find him to be entertaining and don't take him seriously. I clearly don't agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Once again Crabcakes you make good sense. How much do you like that Benning is creating competition amongst our prospects for jobs, like with Hunter and Baer? I think it's great because only the best and mentally strongest will survive. In theory, there is room for both Shink and Baer in the top 6. We'll see if they make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I think it's great because only the best and mentally strongest will survive. In theory, there is room for both Shink and Baer in the top 6. We'll see if they make it. Yes, it makes it exciting to see the guys develop. If both boys show they are better than a couple of vets, who gets moved to make space? Or, would Benning trade Hunter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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