Cowardrobertford Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I wouldn't say they're the same category at all. Unless you're generalizing them as both smaller players. Shinkaruk is faster, more tenacious retrieving the puck, and has a much better shot. He's also a goal scorer, not a playmaker. Vey has better vision and can cycle the puck, but his skating is a bit of an issue for a player his size. He also needs to shoot the puck more and battle for loose pucks. The type of players who if not good enough to be top 6, can't be bottom six due to size, and that's the only way for them to stay in the NHL, to be a legit top 6. Tenacious with retrieving the puck is just as good as being able to cycle or keep possession. And Vey is definitely battling for loose pucks much more this year And of course, Shink won't be a goalscorer if Vey is a better puck shooter than him and Vey won't be a playmaker if Shink is has better vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Cowardrobertford said: The type of players who if not good enough to be top 6, can't be bottom six due to size, and that's the only way for them to stay in the NHL, to be a legit top 6. Tenacious with retrieving the puck is just as good as being able to cycle or keep possession. And Vey is definitely battling for loose pucks much more this year And of course, Shink won't be a goalscorer if Vey is a better puck shooter than him and Vey won't be a playmaker if Shink is has better vision. Could you translate this into Melmacian (ENGLISH) so I can understand. Who is better, and at what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Cowardrobertford said: The type of players who if not good enough to be top 6, can't be bottom six due to size, and that's the only way for them to stay in the NHL, to be a legit top 6. Tenacious with retrieving the puck is just as good as being able to cycle or keep possession. And Vey is definitely battling for loose pucks much more this year And of course, Shink won't be a goalscorer if Vey is a better puck shooter than him and Vey won't be a playmaker if Shink is has better vision. It's alot easier to be a smaller winger than it is to be a smaller center. And Vey doesn't have the speed to shift to wing. Vey will be back in the minors soon enough, there's just no place for him down the middle. Shinkaruk on the other hand will have lots of opportunities in the top 9 left winger slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowardrobertford Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Just now, Alflives said: Could you translate this into Melmacian (ENGLISH) so I can understand. Who is better, and at what? I think made the last paragraph clear referencing with Deniros Vey and Shink comparison Plus, I'm closer to being an alien than you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Nylander looks poo in the asg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Vey's a center so his height is a major factor. Can't play at his height and succeed at center anymore. Hunter on the other hand plays the wing and has all the assets of a top 6 scoring winger. Speed, stick handling, passing, sniping, hard worker and IQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Man some of these guys are trying way too hard to look like they're not trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Gooseberries said: Nylander looks poo in the asg ENGLISH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Is Shinkaruk worth Drouin? Is Drouin an upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Leivo and Shinkaruk both looked good. The rest of the North looked like they were out for a morning skate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: Is Shinkaruk worth Drouin? Is Drouin an upgrade? Definately in Stevie's mind. He wanted Horvat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Definately in Stevie's mind. He wanted Horvat. I know what Yzerman thinks Drouin is worth, but what do we think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: I know what Yzerman thinks Drouin is worth, but what do we think? Well if we're basing it on the Turris trade which I think is a reasonable comparison, then the price should be around McCann or Shinkaruk and a 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: I know what Yzerman thinks Drouin is worth, but what do we think? Drouin is definately the better player, but he hasn't performed well in the NHL or AHL so far. I think Shinks + a high 2nd would be the starting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 35 minutes ago, Alflives said: Is Shinkaruk worth Drouin? Is Drouin an upgrade? Shink doesn't have Drouin's ceiling but in my opinion he's far more likely to reach his. I'd keep Shink personally. They're the guys you win with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Well if we're basing it on the Turris trade which I think is a reasonable comparison, then the price should be around McCann or Shinkaruk and a 2nd. 1 minute ago, higgyfan said: Drouin is definately the better player, but he hasn't performed well in the NHL or AHL so far. I think Shinks + a high 2nd would be the starting point. So how about Shonk and the Torts second? I'd throw in Pedan (there, does that spelling keep the spell hounds from growling?) if it takes more. We need some frickin elite talent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 10 hours ago, Alflives said: Which between Kirby Rychel and Shink would be more of a JB kind of guy? I'm wondering if that might be a trade that could have some legs? Why do we always have to trade trade trade everything we have? Why not develop our own players and core, let them grow as a team together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: So how about Shonk and the Torts second? I'd throw in Pedan (there, does that spelling keep the spell hounds from growling?) if it takes more. We need some frickin elite talent! I wouldn't want to see them lose Pedan as I think he's going to be really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, logic said: Why do we always have to trade trade trade everything we have? Why not develop our own players and core, let them grow as a team together. Because he's Melmacian and a little 'out there'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierdaddy Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 13 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Drouin is definately the better player, but he hasn't performed well in the NHL or AHL so far. I think Shinks + a high 2nd would be the starting point. Hasn't Drouin averaged like a 1/2 pt a game in the NHL? Considering his age I think that's not bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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